You're down at the sea shore looking for sand dollars.
You pass by conch shells, snail shells and clam shells until you come to a sand dollar which you pick up.
Scenario two:
You see a Chevrolet. Then you see a Ford.
They look a lot alike. They even share many chemical bonds.
You conclude that they must come from the same place.
Scenario three:
You have a thousand dollars in your pocket with which you plan to buy $1,000.00 worth of computer gear.
Someone comes along and takes $350.00 of it, leaving you with only $750.00. You can't afford to buy your computer gear.
You conclude that they must be entitled to it and go on your merry way.
Scenario four:
Your neighbor buys a new car. He earns 3 times what you earn.
You want a new car, too...the same kind.
Since you can't afford it, you figure the rest of the people should help you buy one.
After all, you need to get to work...it's your right.
Scenario five:
You don't ever want to get sick, have an accident or suffer any pain.
You conclude that everybody else should work to guarantee that you never get sick, never have an accident and never suffer any pain.
You are, after all, entitled to a perfect life.
Scenario six:
You take a DNA sample from a woman.
You take another DNA sample from the fetus she is carrying in her womb.
You conclude that, even though the DNA is different, they are the same "person" and therefore each should be allowed to do whatever he/she wants to the other.
Scenario four:
You are suffering from shingles.
Just barely touching your belly hurts, and rubbing the belly is out of the question due to the pain.
You need to drive to the doctor.
You can't because the law requires you to fasten your seat belt when you drive.
Keeps you safe.
Is there a liberal out there who can get the point AND understand these scenarios (senaria?)?
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Joe - I'm a Liberal.
An American Liberal.
I don't get any of those stories.
Why?
Because I'm so scr*wed up right now I can't think.
But I think there is a Point to them - Joe.
Just like the Point on the TOP OF YOUR HEAD.
You do have a Great Blog though - Joe.
Have an Outstanding day.
Joe.
And thanks.
Truth # 2. Never try to reason with a liberal. They disregard any evidence that conflicts with their beliefs.
And once again, Sue proves Truth # 24. Liberals are incapable of attacking the message, so they always attack the messenger.
Redistribution of wealth under the guise of rights is simply institutionalized envy. Envy is possible the most useless, destructive and contemptible of human emotions. That's why there's a Commandment against it: Thou shalt not covet. So, it is no wonder that envy is the very bedrock of the liberal movement -- the most useless, destructive and contemptible form of politics in the world.
Simple and honest answer to the question posed at the end of this post: no.
And Ranger is right. Arguing with liberals is like arguing with the Wolfman:
Joe: 'liberals make little sense of the world we live in.'
Wolfman: 'Snnnnarrrrrllll!!!!'
Joe: 'Excuse me?'
Wolfman: 'You heard me, I said Snnnnarrrrrllll!!!!'
So why bother?
Sue, you disappointed me. Your material is usually top notch and I thought you'd take the sand dollar story and really work the house.
Scenario 4: You know, this is an interesting one, Joe.
The idea that people demand new cars of a certain model is absolutely asinine.
However, many poor people do depend on public transportation which is subsidized. That's the nature of mass transportation systems (although the airlines do it with the bankruptcy laws). Now the fringe right will not consider paying taxes which may subsidize low use bus lines in poor neighborhoods so that people can get to work.
They are too stupid to see the long term benefits of a sound transportation system and to selfish to see past their own nose.
They are quite happy as mouth breathers who haven't had an original thought in decades.
Scenario three:
You are too stupid to be able to differentiate between before and after tax income.
A simple calculator and basic arithmetic would do the job but that's a little advanced.
Now either save further or see if there is something at $750 that suits your needs.
One way or another it all got into the economy so don't try that one, Jo-jo
Scenario Five is interesting since we've established that Joe is on the public teat for his health care costs.
Well, I have insurance Joe and I pay a healthy premium.
I trip and in the process of protecting my camera I fracture two fingers. Now I accept that the accident was my negligence, no doubt but I would be a bit ticked off if my insurance company said the treatment and physical therapy were not covered.
So would you and so would Tonto's Catcher.
Joe, I'm not sure where you're going with No.2 it's pretty lame.
I suspect it's an oblique reference to economic competition. Something about the bailout. Whatever, dumb as it is lame.
No Sue, Dick Cheney is related to Skeletor but not Lon.
The last film I saw was Asghar Farhadi's A Separation.
Iranian, brilliant and very subtle.
I don't think it's on Joe's list or Tonto's Catcher's
Ducky: "...many poor people do depend on public transportation which is subsidized."
In the majority of American cities, that just isn't true. In our city of 1,000,000 people our public transportation spends most of its time spending taxpayer money on diesel with no passengers or at most two or three.
In Boston, LA, New York and Chicago that may be the case, but not in most of the country.
Most poor people in our area ride bikes or hitch rides with friends or relatives.
None of them drive electric cars.
Ducky: "I have insurance Joe and I pay a healthy premium."
I paid a premium from the day Medicare began and got absolutely nothing out of it, zero, zilch.
Now I am getting something out of it and I STILL pay a premium into it from every paycheck.
I am just grateful that the government took my years of paying premiums and invested the money wisely so thay can afford to pay my medical bills now.
By the way, I have to subsidize my government medical care with a supplemental private insurance plan.
So take your stupid, uninformed whining some place else.
Ducky: "...No.2 it's pretty lame."
I knew you were not bright enough to figure that one out. Hint: it has absolutely nothing to do with money, bail-outs, the government or quasi-government entities.
It has to do with the principle of drawing a "scientific" conclusion that is erroneous from a set of facts.
One more hint: Things that are similar are not the same.
It is not lame, it is basic.
But it is beyond the intellect of all liberals.
Ducky: "Now either save further or see if there is something at $750 that suits your needs."
That is typical liberal thinking and fits the scenario exactly.
That someone could simply take it from you to spend on others who may or may not bother to earn anything for themselves is just the way liberals like it.
I still haven't seen one liberal demonstrate that he/she is smart enough to get the point of even one of the scenarios.
Where are you, smart liberals?
Maybe that should be: Where are you smart, liberals?
Joe, I remember one of your articles stating how ugly wind turbines are.
I took some photos of some local wind turbines. After a little work in Lightroom they look quite good.
Would you like me to send you one. It might help you
Joe - "In our city of 1,000,000 people our public transportation spends most of its time spending taxpayer money on diesel with no passengers or at most two or three.
Most poor people in our area ride bikes or hitch rides with friends or relatives."
Then I would say that the people in charge of your public transportation system are idiots..
The route structure clearly doesn't meet the needs of the population.
My guess is that some Republican committee decided that since it was the taxes of rich people that was paying for the public transportation, the public transportation will only have stops in rich neighborhoods.
Rich people ain't gonna leave their Beemers in the 4 car garage to take a bus.
Public transportation needs to connect poor neighborhoods to areas that have jobs.
XO: What really needs to happen is that the government needs to mandate that anyone who makes less than $17,000.00 per year be issued a plastic card (so it looks like a credit card and nobody knows what it really is) and be required to use public transportation at least four times per week, even if they don't have a job to go to, under penalty of fines, fees and/or jail.
That way we can all demonstrate that we care, even when we don't.
After all, everyone has a right to public transportation.
Well, there are seemingly no liberals who can get the point of even one scenario, so I will post them here in comments, one per day.
Scenario one: You find what you are looking for.
Liberals look for minutia to try to make fools of conservatives.
Fail!
Well, sue, you finally stumble into a fact. The truth DOES make liberals sick.
Where I come from it's called Socialism. I personally do not want to pay for other people's mortgages, food stamps,lottery tickets, or welfare and healthcare. I have a job and I pay taxes.
@Joe -- Ducky: "...many poor people do depend on public transportation which is subsidized."
In the majority of American cities, that just isn't true.
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That means the premise is invalid in the cities which do have extensive public transportation networks?
Another beauty from Mr. 140.
Ducky: "That means the premise is invalid in the cities which do have extensive public transportation networks?"
How did you arrive at the conclusion that I said that?
Well Joe, either you want to deny my point or you want to use a straw man. Doesn't matter, you're incorrigible.
Ducky: OK, Snotnose. What I said was that there may be some areas that make good use of public transportation, areas like NYC, LA, Boston, etc.
I did not say there are not places where public transportation is important.
It still remains that in the majority of cities in the U.S. public transportation is a net loss to the people, the budget, the users and the workers.
More often than not it is close to useless.
It still remains that in the majority of cities in the U.S. public transportation is a net loss to the people, the budget, the users and the workers.
Joe, If you just count ridership fees, you are correct. If you look at the overall benefit of public transportation, it's one of the best investments a community can make.
You live near Fort Myers, yes? As you can see from this study prepared for the Lee County Metro Planning Org. You are dead wrong.
A $6.3M investment of County funding (in transportation) generates $62M in the local economy each year.
Leetran keeps cars off the road that would otherwise result in $5.2M of road impact each year.
Leetran saves commuters $1.3M each year in time not spent in traffic congestion.
Almost 50% of Leetran riders are traveling for work-related purposes. If Leetran were to cease operations, $4.16M in workforce wages would be lost to the local economy each year.
Over 2 million people visited Lee County in 2004, contributing $1.1B to the local economy...Leetran provides important access to beaches, shopping and recreation.
Other benefits are reduced fuel costs (especially with rising gas prices) , reduces crash incidences and reduces air pollution (I see Lee County is getting 24 hybrid buses).
You see, Joe, if you're only looking for the answer you want (sand dollars), public transportation sucks, you can ignore everything (conch, snail and clam shells) that contradicts it.
Sue, "The truth can indeed be a finger down the throat of those unprepared to hear it." - Sheldon Cooper PhD
Tonto's Catcher, I notice that you and Joe fail to respond to discussions of fact and simply resort to your dippy rules about liberals.
Why is that?
You got roughed up pretty badly on your contention that Carbonite stock dropped because they pulled their ads from Te Vulgar Pigboy's show but you just plow on in ignorance.
Aaaand again, I become the topic of discussion. You simply can't help yourself, can you. Do I have to get a restraining order or will my 9mm suffice?
Craig: "A $6.3M investment of County funding (in transportation) generates $62M in the local economy each year."
An absolutely made up figure.
"Leetran keeps cars off the road that would otherwise result in $5.2M of road impact each year."
An immeasurable entity.
"Leetran saves commuters $1.3M each year in time not spent in traffic congestion."
Even in mid tourist season, the only traffic congestion we suffer is between 8:45 am and 9:00 am., except for the antiquated bridge onto Ft. Myers beach and the road through Ft. Myers Beach.
"Almost 50% of Leetran riders are traveling for work-related purposes. If Leetran were to cease operations, $4.16M in workforce wages would be lost to the local economy each year."
50% of 10 is only 5 people. The majority of those wages would be Lee Tran employees.
"Over 2 million people visited Lee County in 2004, contributing $1.1B to the local economy...Leetran provides important access to beaches, shopping and recreation."
A very, very small percentage of those people ever even see a LeeTran vehicle, let alone ride one. (2004?...Newsflash! This is 2012!)
You've been reading their propoganda brochure.
And what has that to do with the subject(s) of this post, anyway.
Have you gotten the point of, say, scenario two yet?
Scenario two: Cars are alike in many ways, therefore must have come from the same origin. (Of course we know that's not true. Some come from Detroit, some from Japan, etc.)
Chimps share 90% of the DNA characteristics of humans. therefore they must have originated from the same source.
Pure misapplication of DNA science.
The point of scenario two is that just because things share characteristics, they do not necessarily share the same origin.
I'll take a documented research paper over your anecdotal observations. Just saying you don't believe it is meaningless. Can you find any flaws in the papers methodology?
Chimps share 90% of the DNA characteristics of humans. therefore they must have originated from the same source
Actually, it's closer to 99%. Steel originates from iron ore, polypropylene and polyethylene are derived from petroleum and the hides of baby Vinyls go into the cars upholstery. The raw materials have the same origin.
Comparing what is clearly, to any sentient being, a manufactured item to a living organism is really...Let's just say it casts doubt on your over 140 IQ tests.
Coruscating Craig said,
".....Steel originates from iron ore, polypropylene and polyethylene are derived from petroleum and the hides of baby Vinyls go into the cars upholstery......"
And pollyannas are derived from Librul sentience.
And Vinyls need to be at least peri-adolescent before their hides are deemed adequate for automobile use.
".....(Quoting Joe: 'Chimps share 90% of the DNA characteristics of humans. therefore they must have originated from the same source')
Actually, it's closer to 99%....."
Craig?
Query?
In the vast shaky state of the law of development, as laid down by Darwin, are you so enamoured of this so-called law, or hypothesis, as to express jubilation for your great great grandfather having been an ape or a gorilla?
Bojangles Drakelet's here said,
".....Sue, you disappointed me. Your material is usually top notch and I thought you'd take the sand dollar story and really work the house......"
That is just mean! Funny, but just mean!
And the Straw Man Argument is a legitimate rhetorical device, whether used correctly or not. We are not debating logical fallacy here.
Craig: "I'll take a documented research paper over your anecdotal observations."
OK. You can have them. The truth really doesn't matter that much.
"......I'll take a documented research paper over your anecdotal observations....."
If that documented research paper is/was Newton's work 'Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica' (the section on the law of universal gravitation) you'd be in error. The folks who went with their anecdotal observations were proved correct - at least as far as current physics is concerned.
Joe, some truths do matter a great deal! You know, like those truths that the Libruls hold to be self-evident.
In the vast shaky state of the law of development, as laid down by Darwin, are you so enamoured of this so-called law, or hypothesis, as to express jubilation for your great great grandfather having been an ape or a gorilla?
I know of one great grandpa who was a Dane and another was a Swede. I'm not any too happy about either. Humans and apes are both from the Order Primate and the Family Hominidae. Some would say humans are apes. I maintain a distinction although some of you are more hirsute than some of us.
If that documented research paper is/was Newton's work 'Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica' (the section on the law of universal gravitation) you'd be in error.
It isn't.
Joe, why mas my reply to Tonto's Catcher deleted after he threatened me with a firearm?
Stop making all that stuff up, Craig. It rocks Joe's world.
I went hunting sand dollars early this morning. Went to the Deer Island sewage treatment plant to do some photography this morning. There is a harbor walk around the perimeter, 5 miles.
The great subject is the "eggs", huge storage tanks of methane from the process which in turn helps power the plant.
Several of those wind turbines Joe finds so ugly. I find them striking and the low "woosh" of the blades ia quite soothing.
Then a couple banks of solar collectors.
Well I guess I found what I was looking for and completely misunderstood the potential of renewables. I'm glad I read Joe's blog.
Got some great shots though. It's a beautiful walk, gulls perched on the gong buoys. Real freedom but if Joe were running it Homeland Security would probably have confiscated my camera and told me I was under arrest for terrorist activities. Joe would have seen the big picture
I love the wind turbines too - duckbutt.
Once I came upon a group of them on the interstate - and at the same time I was listening to - I think it might have been the andante con moto - and I found it quite - how should I say - Beautiful.
I like the way they are slowly
Blowin' in the Wind - and then they stop - and then start up again.
Joe, thanks very much for this blog post, (and for all of the subsequent comments made by your comments except for the few misguided souls like Ducky Here, Shaw, and XO ). I find myself continually frustrated by uninformed ranting on the liberal side of this debate, so it’s always refreshing to see opinion backed by articulate, sound argument.
Lets not forget that the Marxist Democratic Liberals and Progressive Socialists of America, Helped Obama Win in November of 2008. Lets not let them do it again.
Not by the lies, bigoted rants, deception, and hypocrisy from the token liberal idiots like Ducky, XO, and Shaw.
Socialism will never work in the USA because it put people who are lunatics in charge or other people’s money and lives.
Baconburger, Craig's going to feel slighted. Don't leave him out.
Darth Bacon - What about me - Darth - aren't I good enough to be on yer Socialist Liberal List?
Huh? Darth Bacon?
Baconburger, Craig's going to feel slighted. Don't leave him out.
Yeah, Mr. Bacon. I've sorta gotten used to being ignored but this, this stings a little.
Ooooh, threatened with a firearm. See how easily liberals slip into the role of victim?
Wow Ducky "Baconburger". What a clever and well thought out post.
But not to worry, my feelings are never hurt by any liberal spewing their worthless tripe!
Ducky and the rest of you liberal nitwits sure do suffer from a lack of originality don't you..
But I guess that being a democrat/liberal and especially a Progressive liberal like CHAW means you are unable to process logic and facts,so you make up your own to justify your argument...
sue hanes said...
Darth Bacon - What about me - Darth - aren't I good enough to be on yer Socialist Liberal List?
Huh? Darth Bacon?
Sorry Sue I never respond to the mentally disabled. But I make an exception when it comes to Chaw!
Like many here, I’ve read a lot about the loss of a treasured conservative warrior, Andrew Breitbart for many days now. One point about him that comes through frequently is that he was a pioneer of this venue, the New Media entirely made possible by the Internet. Andrew partnered up with Matt Drudge in his early ventures into the internet and it’s ability to supplant the LSM by appealing directly to the people, without passing through so many editorial desks prior to being printed or aired. With ~90% of the editorial and news staff identifying themselves as liberal, it’s obvious that the truth would be bent, twisted or entirely rewritten as portrayed in the old media. Along with this and perhaps even more notorious is their conscious picking of information to be released or buried, to support their personal viewpoints. Andrew had a vision that the internet was an real alternative to the liars of the left with their perceived monolithic audience. On a personal note Breitbart was of unique character, fearless and able to dive right into the slime to get the truth to the public. He truly enjoyed sticking it to the left and the more they went into convulsions attacking him, the more he pushed, and we LOVED IT! Like many fellow conservatives, I’ve always prayed that someone would come forward like this to be the spear point of conservatism, unafraid and unabashed to fiercely defend the views of the right thinking people of America. We need folks with balls p.e.r.i.o.d. Enough of this fucking go-along to get-along, civility based horseshit. I see it as collaboration with the enemy, as the left always, always gets what they want in the end, and our side gets it up the Khyber every time for even trying. Andrew bull-dozed around all this nonsense and made his case directly to us. Andrew was a master at playing the entrenched MSM. He gained notoriety with James O’Keefe taking down ACORN, well at least in that particular incantation. O’Keefe had the tactics for the sting, but Breitbart was a master planner in revealing the information to the world in a way that did maximum damage to the other side. This perhaps, was his real genius. Some have coined it ambush journalism, which while true, represents what passes for journalism in America today. Tell me it wasn’t an ambush when Stephafuckingnopoulos jumped Romney in the January republican debate asking about supporting states right to ‘ban contraception’. That one came out of nowhere and we wondered why Georgie even went there. We found the answer when Ogabe came out with his attack on the Catholic Church in February. That cheap little fucker, smiling with two loads of jizm dripping off his chin, didn’t make it to the lecture in ‘J’ school that said it was a dangerous form of questioning, likely to be placed forcefully into your colon. The classic form of this uses the example ‘Tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?’, putting the target immediately on the defensive and off-balanced. This question was during a fucking DEBATE. Fuck ‘em all, that’s really ambush journalism. Breitbart no doubt, would have broken that one off in George ‘sweaty ball licker’ Stephanopoulos’ well-used ass. I think I’m safe in saying that we all screamed at the damned idiot box hearing that one, but it was an example of how far the dinosaur media would go in support of their Master. We needed someone that could master dealing with these abominable questions and lies disguised as stories coming from the lackey DSM. Only the L-rd knows why our friend was called home at a time where his intellect, talent and fearlessness were so desperately needed. I’m sure his many staffers across the Breitbart family of websites are ready and able to carry on his mission. But they need our help, it’s hard to replace an Einstein of the Alternate Media. We must help as we can make up for his loss with vast numbers of people that shared Andrew’s vision for a restored America
Scenario three: If you work hard and earn a lot, 35% (soon to be 39.5%) of it belongs to everyone else.
You liar.
You've never earned enough to be in a top bracket.
Ducky: "You liar.You've never earned enough to be in a top bracket."
Never said I did.
Are you drunk? Or are you just incapable of recognizing a principle?
Alas.
I feel cheated!
I've never been in any tax bracket - top, middle or bottom.
What's it like?
I's quite serious.
I've never 'earned' income which was subject to income tax.
Granted, I own nothing but the clothes on my back and a spare pair of underthings.
Darth Bacon - Meanie.
Scenario four: Not all government mandates are all good.
Not all of my man dates have been that good either.
In fact, very few actually.
ALTC: I can understand that.
Scenario five: The government's main job is to make sure you stay well (and therefore on the tax rolls).
I would prefer your commiseration rather than your understanding here Joe.
Why is it that men fear a woman who is brighter, more educated and better looking than they are - and not impressed with wealth or power?
That query was rhetorical by the way.
ALTC: "Why is it that men fear a woman who is brighter, more educated and better looking than they are - and not impressed with wealth or power?"
I never met a woman who was brighter, more educated and/or better looking than I am.
And certainly not as humble.
Wait 'til we meet Joe!
I'm exponentially more humble than you!
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