To the left, Mohamed Osman MohamudYou saw it in the news this weekend!
Another little old American lady dressed in a Nun's habit was caught in an FBI sting trying to bomb the lighting of the Christmas tree in Portland, Oregon.
She was heard to exclaim, as the feds led her away, "Christmas has been the province of Christianity far too long. It is time someone did something about it and I'm just the one to do it!"
What???
You say that didn't happen?
Let me check.
Oh, yeah...here it is:
A nine year old American kid was apprehended by FBI agents as he tried to detonate a bomb at the lighting of the Christmas tree in Portland, Oregon. The arrest came as a result of an FBI sting that caught the kid actually pressing the button on a cell phone that would have set off the bomb.
Huh???
That didn't happen either?
Oh, My.
Tell me, Dear Reader, who DID try to set off a bomb at the Christmas tree lighting in Portland, Oregon?
Say What???
It was a Somali-born naturalized American MUSLIM?
Who would have guessed such a thing?
Why the Muslims are a peaceful bunch. They would never attempt such a horrendous thing!
If we had only known there was an iota of a desire on the part of Muslims to bring harm to America, we might have been looking for people who had the physical characteristics of someone from a predominately Muslim country.
We might even have considered it a waste of time to be looking for Nuns and little white boys as suspects in terrorist bombings...you know...like they do at airports.
Man! Have we ever got a lot to learn!
Maybe we should talk to Israel about their security methods.
24 comments:
"If we had only known there was an iota of a desire on the part of Muslims to bring harm to America, we might have been looking for people who had the physical characteristics of someone from a predominately Muslim country."
You're missing the word "some," Joe, since I'm sure you wouldn't want to indict all 1 billion Muslims as wanting to do harm to America.
Certainly you wouldn't agree that all white Americans wanted to keep black Americans in second-class citizen status by denying them the right to live where they chose and to be able to vote, would you? Some white folks did, to be sure, but not just "white folks."
If all Muslims in the world were out to do us harm, we would be in sorry shape, since there are only approx. 300 million of us, and 1 billion of them.
I understand your fear but there's no need to denigrate all Muslims for what SOME do. That's well, unAmerican, isn't it? We're fair-minded folks who judge people INIDVIDUALLY and not COLLECTIVELY.
Or maybe that's not what you believe in?
I blogged on this today as well. My take, however, is quite different from yours.
Joe, Joe, Joe, you racist you!
(sarcasm)
How do you know when you are a Racist? When you are pro-American and anti-illegals and anti America's Enemies.
Confused? I am also.
SK: Do you use "some" when describing the actions of "Christians" who do dastardly things? Do you use the word "some" when you describe conservative talk show hosts? Do you use the word "some" when you describe conservatives?
Not here, you never have.
That's well, unAmerican, isn't it?
"Certainly you wouldn't agree that all white Americans wanted to keep black Americans in second-class citizen status by denying them the right to live where they chose and to be able to vote, would you?"
Nope...that was the Democrats.
the malcontent: Just trying to keep up with the warpped thinking of liberl/progressives keeps me confused.
SK: The point, of course, is that we are wasting our time frisking little old ladys, nuns, and 9 year old boys.
We should be looking at Middle Easterners and those whose behavior patterns exhibit anti-social, anti-American tendencies.
Actually, Joe, I do use the qualifier "some" when describing the certain bad behavior on the part of Christians or conservatives--but before you go sleuthing, let me say I try to do so. But bringing in what I do or do not do in describing groups of people doesn't excuse your indicting an entire religion and culture because of what a few of them engage in.
Didn't your mother teach you that doing something wrong because other people do it is never an excuse? Am I to believe you're now using me as a role model?
BTW, when I go after radio talk show people or teevee talk show people, I'm specific about the ones I consider jerks when I'm talking about them, for example, Rush Limbaugh.
My post on him was specific to the jerktitude of his criticism of President Obama. I absolutely didn't criticize ALL radio talk show jocks.
SK: What percentage of Muslims around the world conform to the precepts of "Radical Islam?"
What has been the "peace quotient" in Muslim countries in the Middle East, Africa, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Philipines and other places where Muslims govern?
Is there a good record of peace in those countries? Are their governments generally benign or are they despotic?
In how many Muslim countries do civil wars constantly rage, some for thousands of years?
Of those 1 billion Muslims, how many are taking strong, effective stands against the violence of those "few" you mention? What are their rights to do so in the above mentioned geographic areas?
Would you want your daughters to live in: Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Egypt, Nigeria, Iran, Turkey, Algeria, Morocco, Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, or any of dozens of other places where muslims predominate?
"We're fair-minded folks who judge people INIDVIDUALLY and not COLLECTIVELY."
I judge all thieves as bad. I judge all murderers as bad. I judge all corrupt politicians as bad.
We routinely judge people collectively. You certainly do on your blog.
There are, of course, levels of logic at which one can exceed reality. "The only good Indian is a dead Indian," for instance is certainly not true.
But there is a also a level of political correctness that is beyond reason, too.
Trust me. If you put me in charge of determining who is going to blow up the next airplane, or the next football stadium, or the next Christmas tree lighting, I am going to watch for Muslims. You might not like that, but that is what I am going to do.
(Somehow I doubt that you will put me in charge any time soon).
Joe,
All of your ancillary statements in your last comment have nothing to do with anything, especially not a justification for anti-Muslim sentiment.
As for the peace quotient, one could point to Christian Europe in the 16th, 17th 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries for examples of warring nations. Humans make war whether they're Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist. What's your point?
SK: "We're fair-minded folks who judge people INIDVIDUALLY and not COLLECTIVELY."
JJP: "I judge all thieves as bad. I judge all murderers as bad. I judge all corrupt politicians as bad."
But not all Muslims are bad, so you do agree with me that it is a form of prejudice to judge an entire religion and culture as such.
Excellent post, Joe!!
As the TSA wastes time on little old ladies, nuns, and small children who are the "biggest threats" to our security (sarcasm) Somali Muslims are preparing for the killing of Americans.
What a backwards world we live in nowadays.
SK: Lots of people call themselves "Christian" who are not Christian at all.
No Christian living his/her faith has ever murdered anybody.
A follower of Christ would never be led in that direction.
Very few Muslims have renounced the actions of those we know as "radical Muslims," therefore I conclude that they would come closer to siding with them than not.
I have heard two Muslims renounce what happened in Portland. I surmise that the rest of the Muslims there have little or no issue with Mohamud, or are too afraid to come forward and denounce his actions.
The point of my post, of course, just in case you missed it...which I think you must have, judging by your reaction to it...has to do with checking out potential perps, rather than little ole ladies.
And the majority of the potential terrorist perps are going to be Muslim, not nuns and kids.
Once we get the Muslim issue under control, the next group of terrorists might be Chinese, or Mongolians. If that happens, then THEY would be the ones to watch.
NOT NUNS AND KIDS! Why is that so hard to understand?
Teresa: Thanks. SK really is hard to get through to. She's already got her mind made up, and can't be the open minded person she tries to insist we be. But she thinks she is. But she's not.
Oh cry me a river for those poor maligned Muslims. No of course not all Muslims are terrorists or radical extremists. But doggone it - in the last 10 years - all the radical extremists who want to kill Americans are Muslims!
Funny how that works out.
Janie Lynn,
And all the radical extremists who kill doctors performing legal medical procedures in clinics are Christians. So?
Oh, yeah. And Timothy McVeigh.
Shaw Kenawe
SK: "And all the radical extremists who kill doctors performing legal medical procedures in clinics are Christians."
No, they're not.
If I call myself a doctor, that doesn't mean you should trust me operating on your liver.
A Christian is NOT someone who chooses Christianity over other religions or over none at all.
A Christian is one who has a personal relationship with God by trusting in the finished work of Christ at Calvary.
One who has done that will not commit murder.
Well you'll have to allow that same reasoning for the Muslims (and non-Muslims like George W. Bush) who firmly believe and have stated that Islam is a religion of peace.
So those who murder in Islam's name are not real Muslims, just like you assert those Christians who kill are not real Christians.
I know Muslims who reject the violence in the Qur'an, just like the Christians who reject the violence in the Bible--you know, where the inerrant word of God says you must kill your neighbor who works on the sabbath. (Exodus 31:12) and women who are not virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
I'm not a believer, so I don't put credence in any "holy" book, since hosts of holy book followers through history have been more devil than angel.
Timothy McVeigh? I believe his act of terrorism occurred on April 19, 1995. I'm not a math genius but that was more than 10 years ago. Just for the sake of accuracy, my comment did say - in the last 10 years.
"So those who murder in Islam's name are not real Muslims, just like you assert those Christians who kill are not real Christians."
I did not say Christians who kill are not real Christians. I said Christians who murder are not real
Christians.
The are lots of justified killings. There are no justified murders.
I will agree with you about "peaceful" Muslims as soon as they strongly condemn the radicals among them and put them on trial and clear them off the map.
The radicals aren't a few Muslims, they are a large minority of Muslims.
Janie Lynn: Now you're trying to muddy the waters with actual facts. Liberal/progressives can't handle that.
Of course, there is the small point that the Muslim mosque which your fellow rednecks burned (peaceful huh?) was the source of the tip that nailed this loon.
You and mustang would make a great pair of bookends.
I know Muslims who reject the violence in the Qur'an, just like the Christians who reject the violence in the Bible--you know, where the inerrant word of God says you must kill your neighbor who works on the sabbath. (Exodus 31:12) and women who are not virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
I always enjoy it when people like Shaw bring up Old Testament text to show just how evil Christians are not knowing that these text are not applicable to Christians. Then misses the part where Jesus tells us that he was the fulfillment of all those Old Testament laws.
Missing it all when Jesus says:
Mat 22:36 "Teacher," he asked, "which is the most important Commandment in the Law?"
Mat 22:37 Jesus replied, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. Love him with all your mind.' (Deuteronomy 6:5)
Mat 22:38 This is the first and most important commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like it. 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself.' (Leviticus 19:18)
Mat 22:40 Everything that is written in the Law and the Prophets is based on these two commandments."
Shaw misses this, just as the Jews did back then.
Oh, yeah. And Timothy McVeigh
Timothy McVeigh’s conversion was a jailhouse converstion…..so what’s your point?
Of course, there is the small point that the Muslim mosque which your fellow rednecks burned (peaceful huh?) was the source of the tip that nailed this loon.
OK, Ducky, where ‘s your proof they were professing Christians???
Scotty,
You're misreading me. I did not characterize Christiansas "evil." Those are your words, not mine.
SCOTTY: "I always enjoy it when people like Shaw bring up Old Testament text to show just how evil Christians are not knowing that these text are not applicable to Christians."
The Old Testament text is not applicable to Christians? Well that's something I've never heard. But it is interesting.
Just to change the subject for a second regarding what Scotty wrote about the Old Testament. If these texts are "not applicable to Christians," then why all the fuss about homosexuals and the Old Testament's text (Liviticus 18:22) that claims it is an abomination?
Jesus said nothing about homosexuals in the New Testament. So where do Christians get this abomination stuff from if what you say is true--that the Old Testament texts are not applicable to Christians?
Janie Lynn, my bad. Okay. Last 10 years Christian terrorists who bomb clinics where legal medical procedures are performed. I don't know of any abortion clinic bombing terrorist acts that have been perpetrated by Muslims.
The Old Testament text is not applicable to Christians? Well that's something I've never heard. But it is interesting.
I said those texts were not applicable to Christians. You were talking about Jewish law. Just as Christians are not obligated to be circumcised, offer animal sacrifice, adhere to Jewish Temple law regarding rituals and the like, dress a certain way, wear square cut beards…etc.
The laws that were put forth in the Old Testament were written to show how utterly useless it is trying to live by those laws, it can’t be done. Laws show us our sinful natures. Look at Abraham:
Rom 4:13 Abraham and his family received a promise. God promised that Abraham would receive the world. It would not come to him because he obeyed the law. It would come because of his faith, which made him right with God.
Rom 4:14 Do those who obey the law receive the promise? If they do, faith would have no value. God's promise would be worthless.
It isn’t some adherence to some Old Testament laws that make us Christians, it’s faith.
The Old Testament is many things, history of the Jews, prophecy pointing to Christ’s coming, a great example on how NOT to do things, the futility of trying to be good enough to be worthy of God’s promises, cause ya can’t do it. A teaching tool as to what sin is and can be.
Just to change the subject for a second regarding what Scotty wrote about the Old Testament. If these texts are "not applicable to Christians," then why all the fuss about homosexuals and the Old Testament's text (Liviticus 18:22) that claims it is an abomination?
Jesus said nothing about homosexuals in the New Testament. So where do Christians get this abomination stuff from if what you say is true--that the Old Testament texts are not applicable to Christians?
Jesus didn’t have to point out the obvious sins that the Jews knew about. You have to remember who Jesus spent most of his time talking to. They knew the laws and the Old Testament/Torah, they were taught it from time they were first able to understand it as child.
Why all the fuss as you say? I don’t know that it is a big fuss, certainly from the standpoint that homosexual acts are no more or less as bad as the sins of adultery, lying, coveting your neighbors’ stuff, murder…..etc. In God’s eyes, if you’ve broken the least of his commandments, then you’ve broken them all…..
I’ll give you the verses if you like, Paul was very specific about homosexuality along with a lot of other sins…..
Thank you for your answers, Scotty.
Ducky: It would be my deep honor to serve with Mustang...even if as bookends. He's one of the wisest people I know.
Scotty: Good work!
SK: Usual work!
Standing & applauding, Scotty. You (& Joe) are my kinda blogger.
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