Saturday, October 23, 2010

RANK-AND-FILE AMERICANS DO CARE!'s the League of Women Voters.

Voters are (supposed to be) citizens.

Real citizens understand the importance of pledging alegience to their nation.

There are those who are too blind to see that the Pledge of Alegience to the Flag is not about the cloth, thread color and tassels, but about the country the flag represents...our country.

They say things like, "I'm not going to commit to a FLAG! That's just a piece of cloth."


That flag represents something: "...the republic for which it stands..." united under God. It represents a nation that strives for liberty and justice for everyone.

In some school districts, the Pledge of Alegience is no longer said.

For the first 200 years of our existance, Americans were too stupid to know what those school districts know: The Pledge of Alegience is evil.


The Pledge of Alegience should open EVERY government meeting, reaffirming that its members support the nation they serve.

It should also open any public meeting whose attendees consider themselves to be proud citizens of the United States of America.

If they are not proud of the country left to us by our framers, I hereby invite them to go live in Iraq, or Afghanistan or Iran.

They'll love it there.

There they'll demonstrate their alegience or sit in jail...or worse.

As for me and my house, we will take the Pledge.

I pledge alegience to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.


Xavier Onassis said...

Once again you willfully ignore the facts and try to craft a history that never existed.

The "Pledge of Allegiance" was written in 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy.

In it's original form it contained no reference whatsoever to the United States of America or God.

The reference to the U.S. wasn't added until 1923 and the reference to God wasn't added until 1954, over the objection of Bellamy's daughter.

Oh, and Bellamy's original protocol for saluting the flag during recitation ended with the right arm extended towards the flag, palm up.

This gesture was removed during WWII due to it's obvious similarity to the Nazi salute.

Facts really do matter.

Joe said...

XO: What the heck does your little diatribe have to do with anything?

I am not referencing the Pledge of Allegiance written by Francis Bellamy.

I am referencing what has become a mainstay of know...the one I quoted in the Post.

(You DID actually read the post and watch the video, didn't you? Otherwise, you would not have bothered to comment...right?)

Of course, as has become expected, you ignorantly ignored the point of the post, twisting it to mean what YOU wanted it to mean.

Historically, the current Pledge of Allegience has been said in classrooms, at ball games, at Kiwanis and Rotary clubs, at churches, at political events and at countless other gatherings as a token of attendees' awareness of what this great country stands for.

I have personally been there when it was recited at many of the above types of occasions, and I have led it many times, so I know whereof I speak.

The video demonstrates that Americans still like to express themselves as patriotic in all kinds of gatherings, and don't like for their preferences to be summarily ignored.

I really don't think you are as ignorant as you pretend. I think you just love to find fault with and dinigrate the customs of rank-and-file Americans in your pseudo-intellectual crust of elitism.

In short: you behave like an intellectual snob.

You mistake your self-imagined vast knowledge on everything for wisdom.

Your "facts" don't matter at all, because they are random and unrelated to the post on which you pretend to be commenting.

Frankly, I have a hard time thinking of you as a fellow American, but (if you were born here or naturalized) I guess you are one.

Is there some point in the future when you plan to start acting like one?

Fredd said...

Yeah, liberals are tiring, Joe. XO is typical of their ilk; throw out a ridiculous red herring, and then based on the irrelevent crap he spewed, concludes that he is right and you are wrong.

How do you argue with somebody who does this? Answer: you don't.

Just defeat them.

FWIW: I would have never posted XO's drivel, but simply discarded it into the electro-garbage bin, and nobody would have to burden themselves with reading it. Of course, that's just me....

Joe said...

Fredd: OX has a long standing history of visiting this blog and casting ridicule on any and everything he finds here.

I used to delete his comments when he could not control his language, but as long as he behaves civily, he can come and comment.

He cannot expect, however, to just get away with his constant pseudo intellectualism...especially when he is off-point.

Xavier Onassis said...

Two points, then I'm done.

You said "For the first 200 years of our existance, Americans were too stupid to know what those school districts know: The Pledge of Alegience is evil."

That gives the impression that the Pledge of Allegiance goes back more than 200 years. I felt compelled to correct you on that point.

In your reply to me, you said "Historically, the current Pledge of Allegience has been said in classrooms, at ball games, at Kiwanis and Rotary clubs, at churches, at political events and at countless other gatherings as a token of attendees' awareness of what this great country stands for."

If by "Historically" you mean 56 years, I'll agree with you.

But don't try to sell this as some sort of sacred pledge that dates back to our founding because that's simply not true.

Z said...

WHatever the flag is, 'just fabric' or not, whenever it was implemented, 200 yrs ago or 56 yrs ago, WHATEVER.....pointedly NOT SAYING it speaks VOLUMES.

'nuff said

Joe said...

XO: I do not believe I made any reference to the founding. The point was NOT that the pledge went back two hundred years, but that since the beginning of our country we had never precluded expressions of patriotism in the public forum.

The Pledge of Allegiance was Bellamy's way instilling the idea of American nationalism in public school students. It read: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

The United States Congress officially recognized the Pledge as the official national pledge on June 22, 1942.

In 1954, Eisenhower introduced the bill that put the pledge in its present form.

Regardless of the form, for over 100 years, saying the pledge before almost any event was not only fine, it was considered proper (unless you were a Jehovah's Witness).

The idea that some schools now refuse to use it is a travesty.

Of late there have been several attempts to squash its recitation before other public events. The audience in the video was expressing its dismay at that movement.

BTW: "Historically" means "that which has happened in history. History is everything that happened before today.

Joe said...

XO: One more point. The closer one is to the origin of something (such as the Declaration, the Constitution, etc.) the more likely one is to properly understand its writers' intents. The further we get from them, the more likely we are to pervert the writers' meanings.

It behooves us to lean on as many original works as we can to gain the true meaning of subsequent documents.

Joe said...

Z: The people in that audience were not going to have the Pledge ignored.

I wonder whether the League of Women Voters learned anything from that experience.

Susannah said...


Joe, XO gets the point. That's why s/he is arguing w/ you, b/c he & his ilk are LOSING THE BATTLE all over the country (& can't STAND that we - the Great Unwashed are winning), as exhibited by displays such as this.


Joe said...

Susannah: You may be right about XO. He does enjoy being contrary, though.