Monday, July 26, 2010

CONTRAST AND COMPARE

A frequent visitor and commenter to this blog, Hip Suburban White Guy, whose blog I do not necessarily recommend (but do as you wish), gave the following list of items from the Preamble to the Constitution to use as castigation of right wingers:

1: "...in Order to form a more perfect Union..."

2: "...establish Justice..."

3: "...insure domestic Tranquility..."

4: "...provide for the common defence..."

5: "...promote the general Welfare..."

6: "...secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."

That's actually pretty funny, 'cause every conservative I have ever met believes those to be the principle functions of government.

Liberals say they do, too.

But they seem to mean different things to liberals from what they mean to conservatives.

Here's what I mean.

1. "...in order to form a more perfect union..."

Liberal: Move the nation toward some imagined state of Utopia.

Conservative: Do what is necessary to keep us united.

2. "...establish justice..."

Liberal: Treat those who agree with you equally under the law...just not Christians, conservatives or certain other groups.

Conservative: Put in place a system that seek to treat everybody fairly, regardless of race, religion or creed.

3. "...insure domestic tranquility..."

Liberal: Hold peace marches, get wild and angry, throw stuff, leave the place filthy so the county clean-up crews will have plenty to do. Call anybody who disagrees with you vile, vulgar names and demonstrate your IQ by extending the appropriate finger at them.

Conservative: Do what is appropriate to actually keep the peace in our cities. If you hold a Tea Party gathering, for instance, leave the grounds cleaner than when you found them. Behave civilly toward one another. (Check videos of both "Peace demonstrations" and "Tea Party" gatherings).

4. "...provide for the common defense..."

Liberal: Go to war with no clear understanding of what it means to win, and make no effort to actually win the war. Seek imagined reconciliation with the enemy.

Conservative: Win wars, as in WWII and Gulf War I. Don't get into them unless you have to, but if you do, get in to win.

5. "...promote the general welfare..."

Liberal: Take money in the form of taxes from those who work hard to earn it and distribute it to those who need it (a good thing) AND to those who refuse to work due to laziness or lack of education.

Conservative: Take only as much money in taxes as is absolutely necessary to accomplish the six charges to government. No more.

6. "...secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and to our posterity..."

Liberal: Regulate, confiscate and control every possible aspect of society, believing that regulation equals freedom and is good for us and for our children.

Conservative: Fight to the death to preserve responsible freedom for every man, woman and child now and in the centuries to come.

I'm not certain how we go about reconciling these differences so that number one above is accomplished, but if we don't, we will lose the values, the accomplishments and the very nature of this great country.

That would make me sad...how about you?

24 comments:

Mark said...

He can be excused, Joe. He lives in Dogpatch.

Joe said...

Mark: There ought to be a point, though, at which the politically and socially ignorant should be able to become educated...even in Dogpatch.

Joe said...

Mark: I wonder if he gets the irony of where he lives contrasted with his politics?

Shaw Kenawe said...

"Liberal: Treat those who agree with you equally under the law...just not Christians, conservatives or certain other groups."--Jo Joe Politico

This, of course, is pure, unadulterated B.S. Jimmy Carter was a devout "Born Again" Christian and Mr. Obama is a Christian. There is and never has been any persecution of Christians under Liberal/Democratic presidents or any Liberal/Democratic politician. You have absolutely NOTHING to back that slander with, except your desire to make Liberals out to be anti-Christian, but your lies will not stand.

"Hold peace marches, get wild and angry, throw stuff, leave the place filthy so the county clean-up crews will have plenty to do. Call anybody who disagrees with you vile, vulgar names and demonstrate your IQ by extending the appropriate finger at them.+--JJPOLITICO

Perfect description of a Tea Party rally where racist pictures of the American president are always in evidence, and where spitting and calling people racial epithets have been recorded on tape.

"Take only as much money in taxes as is absolutely necessary to accomplish the six charges to government. No more."--JJPOLITICO

Facts do not back this myth up either. See Bush, George, the last conservative president who never vetoed a spending bill during 8 years.

Joe, this is nothing more than the usual boiler-plate misrepresentations that are used by the Right to make them feel superior and to slander the Left.

But if it amuses you and fulfills your dreams of being thought of as an expert on Liberals, you have every right to spread your fantasies and silly skewed notions.

Have a nice day.

Mark said...

Harry Truman's hometown. Also once home to the LDS Temple. It used to be said, when Jesus comes back, he will touch down on the tip of the steeple, and (presumably) slide down the corkscrew.

Alas, The Mormons vacated their home there and it is now a Community of Christ temple.

All kinds of nuts live there.

Mark said...

Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a Christian under anyone's definition. He doesn't act Christian. He doesn't talk Christian. Everything he does is antithetical to everything Christian.

He says he's a Christian. When he is pressed. That's all. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is a Christian, and all kinds of evidence that he is not.

Mark said...

And whether Jimma Cahtah is a Christian is known only to God. Christians don't hate Jews. Jimmah Cahtah does.

BTW, Being raised a Southern Baptist doesn't make one a Christian any more than being raised a Catholic makes one a Christian, or for that matter, being raised in a garage doesn't make one a car.

Next thing you're going to tell us is that Bill Clinton is a Christian.

Man, Shaw, you sure have a broad definition of Christianity!

Joe said...

SK: I was prevented from praying at a highschool football game because I insisted in praying in the name of Jesus...which is somehow considered the state "establishing" religion.

Try preaching on many "public" street corners these days and you will find yourself arrested...not encouraged to go elsewhere or to a church...arrested.

You think that's proper?

I don't.

One of us is wrong...you, of course.

Pictures are a part of free speech, according to the SCOTUS, but leaving filth behind is not.

"...where spitting and calling people racial epithets have been recorded on tape." That did not happen. It was alleged to have happened, but when the tapes were shown it was clear that it did not happen. It just plain did not happen, yet you liberals continue to insist that it did in the face of video evidence. Typical.

Bush was not a conservative. And, yes, he spent way...way to much. He was better than Carter, better than Clinton in some areas and far better than President BO will ever hope to be, but very disappointing on several fronts.

Yet he was OUR president, the same way you guys call President BO OUR president.

Fiddlesticks!

We really need a true fiscal conservative in office before this country goes completely under...and it may already be too late.

Oh, and BTW: President is a Christian in the same way that I am a PhD in physics.

Leticia said...

Don't even get me started on Jimmy Carter. I still get angry thinking about how he promised and granted unconditional pardoned to thousands of draft dodgers during the Vietnam War, however, this pardoned excluded military deserters. Idiot! I doubt Carter is a devout Christian when I hear how he hates the Jews, is pro-abortion, no he is not.

Obama is most definitely NOT a Christian. I would take up too much time listing why this statement is holds true.

lisa said...

I guess "Hussein" is his confirmation name.
In the Muslim religion if your father is a Muslim the children are automatically Muslim.
I like the way liberals swear he's a Christian . Why don't they defend the fact that he is a Muslim,? I guess that must mean they are the ones who have a problem with it.

Shaw Kenawe said...

Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a Christian under anyone's definition. He doesn't act Christian. He doesn't talk Christian. Everything he does is antithetical to everything Christian.

He says he's a Christian. When he is pressed. That's all. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is a Christian, and all kinds of evidence that he is not.


Where is that evidence? Just stating your opinion is not evidence.

And let me ask you something, did you get this information from God? Does He speak to you daily to tell you who's a Christian and who is not?

Ever read the parable about the Publican and the Pharisee? You need to learn some humility before you go around telling people who is and who isn't a Christian.

I can always count on the most devout of Christians to slander and besmirch another Christian who don't meet their ideas of what is or isn't a Christian. You guys never let me down in that regard.

Mark, you don't know anything about what is in anyone's heart as it relates to his or her religion or God.

But we can sure determine what is in yours by your mean-spirited remarks.

Shaw Kenawe said...

lisa,

Repeating a lie, as the people here do about Mr. Obama, doesn't make it a fact.

You need to examine where your hatred comes from. It may enlighten you and humble you.

If anyone here thinks he or she is a "Christian," I'd like to see how I find that in the hateful remarks you've made about a man's relation to his religion and God.

You who refuse to accept Mr. Obama's professed Christianity are the ones who need to look into your hearts and find out why such hatred exists.

The Baby Jesus is weeping.

Joe said...

SK: There is no Baby Jesus. He's all grown up, was crucified for the remission of sin, was burried, rose from the grave, walked among at least 500 witnesses and ascended into heaven...quite alive and quite grown up.

"And let me ask you something, did you get this information from God?"

Yep. He wrote us a book. Everything you need to know about God is found in the Word of God, nothing you need to know about God is not found in the Word of God, and anything you THINK you know about God that's not in the Word of God you just made up.

Being a Christian has nothing to do with my idea of what constitutes a Christian. God told us very clearly in His Word what a Christian is, as well as what a Christian stands for and against.

The parable of the Publican and the Pharisse has nothing to do with judging someone's "Christianity," rather it defines a standing with God apart from the laws of the Pharisees.

You certainly exhibit a lot of hatred toward those you think have a lot of hatred in their hearts.

While you tell us we can't see President BO's heart, you seem to have no trouble seeing our hearts.

Interesting.

Why ARE you so hate filled, anyway?

Mark said...

Yes, Joe, Shaw does seem rather intolerant of Christians, doesn't she?

Perhaps Shaw should stop reading the Daily Kos and start reading the Bible. It's clear she doesn't have a clue what the Bible says.

Shaw, I find your intolerance of my intolerance intolerable.

Mark said...

I am feeling rather magnanimous today, so I will offer up these few minor points to lovely Shaw that indicate Obama doesn't have a clue what the Biblical definition of Christianity is:

Obama states that he has no idea of what will happen to him when he dies.

Christians know without a doubt what happens to us after we die.

He suggests his eternal destination has something to do with being a "good father" to his children and transferring values he got from his atheist mother.

Being a "good" anything (except Christian) has nothing to do with where one spends eternity. Neither do, God forbid, atheistic values.

He says there are many paths to heaven.

No true Christian would ever make such an apostate statement. Christians know there is but one way to heaven.

Obama, by his own words, is not a Christian.

Joe said...

Mark: Like you, I am disturbed by SK's inner intolerance. When she starts pontificating that about which she knows so little, I can't help but try to help her understand.

Sadly, there is none so blind as he who will not see.

Joe said...

Leticia: His own testimony indicates that he rejects the basis of Christianity: Christ, Himself.

Joe said...

lisa: I am at a loss to explain the inner mind set of liberals.

Mark said...

Joe, Truths About Liberals:

1. Always expect the worst from a liberal and you will never be surprised.

2. Never try to reason with a liberal. They disregard any evidence that conflicts with their beliefs.

3. You can always tell what liberals are up to by what they accuse you of doing.

4. Liberals don't debate, they argue.

5. The only standards liberals have are double standards.

6. Liberals feel, conservatives think.

7. Whenever you don't understand a liberal's motives, just look for the money.

8. Liberals cannot be embarrassed. They lack the gene to blush.

9. The Liberal creed is, "Do as I say, not as I do.

10. Liberals get older, but they never get smarter.

11. There are no honest liberals. If they were honest -- especially to themselves -- they would not be liberal.

12. A liberal's business is nobody's business, but everyone's business is a liberal's business.

13. Liberals have an inflated sense of self-worth. They are like house flies that criticize the air-worthiness of a Stealth fighter. (Sarah, Palin, George W. Bush, ad infinitum are morons.)

14. Liberals lack a sixth sense that is standard equipment in conservatives -- common sense.

15. Liberals never stop hating.

16. There are only two types of liberals -- the deceivers and the deceived.

17. Every time liberals get on their high horse, they get bucked off.

18. Liberal programs are so wonderful that they have to be forced on people.

19. Liberals always choke on their own medicine.

20. When given a moral choice, liberals always come down on the wrong side of the fence.

21. The only way liberals can build themselves up is by tearing others down.

22. Liberals not only refuse to admit their mistakes, they refuse to learn from them.

23. Liberals can dish it out, but they can't take it.

24. Liberals are incapable of attacking the message, so they always attack the messenger.

25. Liberal diversity is only skin deep.

Mark said...

I don't know what happened there, Joe. I guess blogger was being obstinate, but first it said I provided the wrong word for word verification, then my comment was too long, But I only re-posted twice. Not three times. I take responsibility for only 2 of the repeats, not all three.

Joe said...

Mark: That, of course, is a great list!

I've had the very same issue with Blogger. It's a royal pain!

Alzaetia said...

Shaw Kenawe said...
lisa, Repeating a lie, as the people here do about Mr. Obama, doesn't make it a fact.


It seems that EVERY thing that Shaw does not agree with is a lie.
Perhaps Shaw is either very naive or stupid.
And being naïve these days can have very terrible consequences.
Especially what people tend to think when they're told the song and dance about rights and freedoms.

Z said...

"Racial epithets on TAPE at Tea Parties?"
Somebody call Andrew Breitbart! He's offered $100K for ANYBODY with ANY proof of anything like that at a Tea Party and has for months...QUICk, CALL!!!

:-)

lisa said...

Shaw Obama admitted it. Are you the only on e who missed this?
Also see how Geroge Step All Over us corrects him. It's pretty ironic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDnqZU_cIA