4 of the 5 Justices upheld under the commerce clause. Roberts, who wrote the majority opinion, was the only one to reject the the CC. 5 affirmative, only 1 on the taxing power. But, whatever.
Bwhittle said,
In America...[where once]people doing what they damn well pleased and saying, "Hey, it's a free country"
All Republicans have to sell is a past that never existed and mortal fear of things in the future that will never happen. Bwhittle is selling hard.
It's the same fear mongering Reagan was trying to sell in 1961, when Medicare was being debated.
Today, the relationship between patient and doctor in this country is something to be envied any place. The privacy, the care that is given to a person, the right to chose a doctor, the right to go from one doctor to the other...The doctor begins to lose freedoms, it’s like telling a lie. One leads to another. First you decide the doctor can have so many patients...a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him he can’t live in that town, they already have enough doctors. You have to go some place else. And from here it is only a short step to dictating where he will go...Take it into your own occupation or that of your husband. All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man’s working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay and pretty soon your son won’t decide when he’s in school where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do...one of these days we are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.
I enjoy Bill Witless saying the law should have been struck down.
Why is it that the fringe right cannot comprehend that their opinions do not have the force of law? Simple concept but no matter how often they are forced to deal with complex issues they turtle.
Why is it that Jo doesn't understand that Congress ALREADY HAS THE POWER TO TAX. IT IS STATED IN THE CONSTITUTION.
Roberts gave them NO ADDITIONAL POWERS.
Come on Joe, Bill Witless makes you just that. Kick the Witless habit.
I have to question the validity of these liberals posts, I have to wonder if they really believe what they write. I laugh a lot when I read their posts These guys crack me up. "These idiots are so pathetic
Joe - The Affordable Healthcare Act did not, in any way, set the precedent for taxing people for not doing things that the government thinks they should do for the betterment of the country at large.
Every single tax credit and deduction in the tax code accomplishes the exact same thing.
Own a home? You get a tax credit! Rent? You pay higher taxes! Because the government thinks that home ownership is a part of the "American Dream" and benefits everyone.
Are you married and filing jointly? You get a lower tax rate! Single? You pay more taxes because the government thinks that families are more beneficial to the fabric of American society than single people.
Have kids? You get a deduction for every single one of them! Don't have kids? You pay more taxes because spawning new Americans is encouraged.
I know, I know, you'll trot out Herman Cain's ridiculous "999" plan or some other regressive flat tax that benefits the rich and punishes the poor for being poor.
But the merits or demerits of the current tax code isn't my point.
And if there is one thing I've learned around here, it's to just blatantly state what your point is rather than relying on people's reading comprehension skills to figue it out!
The point is, the government has been taxing people for NOT owning a home, NOT getting married, NOT having kids, NOT starting your own small business and any other behavior they wanted to discourage for decades.
So don't try to spin the Affordable Healthcare Act like it's some earth-shattering, America destroying, unprecedented change that can be laid at Obama's feet.
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What more would a communist have to say to convince people that he is a communist?
This evil cretin makes me sick. I can NOT believe someone so blatantly communist was allowed to become our President.
How any American, (unless you're a black racist) can vote for him is beyond me.
4 of the 5 Justices upheld under the commerce clause. Roberts, who wrote the majority opinion, was the only one to reject the the CC. 5 affirmative, only 1 on the taxing power. But, whatever.
Bwhittle said,
In America...[where once]people doing what they damn well pleased and saying, "Hey, it's a free country"
All Republicans have to sell is a past that never existed and mortal fear of things in the future that will never happen. Bwhittle is selling hard.
It's the same fear mongering Reagan was trying to sell in 1961, when Medicare was being debated.
Today, the relationship between patient and doctor in this country is something to be envied any place. The privacy, the care that is given to a person, the right to chose a doctor, the right to go from one doctor to the other...The doctor begins to lose freedoms, it’s like telling a lie. One leads to another. First you decide the doctor can have so many patients...a doctor decides he wants to practice in one town and the government has to say to him he can’t live in that town, they already have enough doctors. You have to go some place else. And from here it is only a short step to dictating where he will go...Take it into your own occupation or that of your husband. All of us can see what happens once you establish the precedent that the government can determine a man’s working place and his working methods, determine his employment. From here it's a short step to all the rest of socialism, to determining his pay and pretty soon your son won’t decide when he’s in school where he will go or what he will do for a living. He will wait for the government to tell him where he will go to work and what he will do...one of these days we are going to spend our sunset years telling our children and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free.
Selling the same bull. Nothing changes.
Craig: How is it that you liberals can point to one part of a presentation and treat it as though it is the point of the presentation when it is not?
The point of Bill Whittle's remarks is that government has set the stage to require taxing things you don't do.
Do you want to be taxed for not driving an electric car? I don't.
And I KNOW there is no such tax in existance.
The point is, the way has been cleared to propose, debate and establish such a tax if either congress or the president desides to do so.
Because it would be a tax, it would be Constitutional, according to the "Roberts Ruling."
Would you please put a number on how many freedoms the government can take away before you become concerned?
I enjoy Bill Witless saying the law should have been struck down.
Why is it that the fringe right cannot comprehend that their opinions do not have the force of law? Simple concept but no matter how often they are forced to deal with complex issues they turtle.
Why is it that Jo doesn't understand that Congress ALREADY HAS THE POWER TO TAX. IT IS STATED IN THE CONSTITUTION.
Roberts gave them NO ADDITIONAL POWERS.
Come on Joe, Bill Witless makes you just that. Kick the Witless habit.
I have to question the validity of these liberals posts, I have to wonder if they really believe what they write.
I laugh a lot when I read their posts
These guys crack me up. "These idiots are so pathetic
Joe - The Affordable Healthcare Act did not, in any way, set the precedent for taxing people for not doing things that the government thinks they should do for the betterment of the country at large.
Every single tax credit and deduction in the tax code accomplishes the exact same thing.
Own a home? You get a tax credit! Rent? You pay higher taxes! Because the government thinks that home ownership is a part of the "American Dream" and benefits everyone.
Are you married and filing jointly? You get a lower tax rate! Single? You pay more taxes because the government thinks that families are more beneficial to the fabric of American society than single people.
Have kids? You get a deduction for every single one of them! Don't have kids? You pay more taxes because spawning new Americans is encouraged.
I know, I know, you'll trot out Herman Cain's ridiculous "999" plan or some other regressive flat tax that benefits the rich and punishes the poor for being poor.
But the merits or demerits of the current tax code isn't my point.
And if there is one thing I've learned around here, it's to just blatantly state what your point is rather than relying on people's reading comprehension skills to figue it out!
The point is, the government has been taxing people for NOT owning a home, NOT getting married, NOT having kids, NOT starting your own small business and any other behavior they wanted to discourage for decades.
So don't try to spin the Affordable Healthcare Act like it's some earth-shattering, America destroying, unprecedented change that can be laid at Obama's feet.
IT'S NOT!!
Ducky: "Why is it that Jo doesn't understand that Congress ALREADY HAS THE POWER TO TAX. IT IS STATED IN THE CONSTITUTION."
Of course it is.
But that misses the point, doesn't it?
PBO(tcp) sold it as a penalty, not a tax, lest he be accused of raising taxes contra-promisely.
I don't expect you to understand that.
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PBO(tcp) sold it as a penalty, not a tax, lest he be accused of raising taxes contra-promisely.
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That has nothing to do with the Scotus decision.
He could call it anything he liked.
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