Saturday, January 11, 2014

LET'S LOOK AT IT ONCE MORE

Well, let’s see if I understand this.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 20% in Montana.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 27% in Florida.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 29% in South Dakota.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 35% in New Mexico.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 51% in Missouri.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 60% in Alabama.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 62% in California.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 67% in Maryland.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 80% in Wisconsin.

Just see the map for rates going up elsewhere.

Let’s be fair…even if liberals aren’t.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down 14% in New York.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down 1% in Deleware.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down in 13% Vermont.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down 7% in Rhode Island.

So, According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up in most states and in many states by 45% or more.

Did I get that right? Well, let’s see if I understand this.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 20% in Montana.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 27% in Florida.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 29% in South Dakota.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 35% in New Mexico.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 51% in Missouri.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 60% in Alabama.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 62% in California.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 67% in Maryland.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up 80% in Wisconsin.

Just see the map for rates going up elsewhere.

Let’s be fair…even if liberals aren’t.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down 14% in New York.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down 1% in Deleware.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down in 13% Vermont.

According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going down 7% in Rhode Island.

So, According to liberals it is OK that health insurance premiums are going up in most states and in many states by 45% or more.

Did I get that right?

It is all OK because in order to give men maternity coverage we have to spread the costs around, even if we have to do it unequally....right?

11 comments:

Dave Miller said...

Joe, you're wrong again...

Us liberals wanted a single payer system, not a system that subsidizes for profit businesses, which is the system the GOP supported when the Heritage Foundation long pushed...

Joe said...

DM: You guys brought up the bill. You guys passed the bill. This is your baby and you're responsible for its consequences.

Craig said...

Well, let’s see if I understand this

Clearly, you don't. The SOA study is a prediction. It's not a prediction of premiums, as you falsely state, it's a prediction of the cost of claims.
It's predictions are based on the full implementation of the ACA, meaning everyone eligible for coverage who currently doesn't have it will get it. That won't happen for several years.

It doesn't take into account the dramatic decrease in the growth of health care costs due to cost saving measure in ACA. Growth is at a 50 year low.

Some people will see a rise in premiums. Most people, about 85% of Americans get ins. through their employer and won't be affected. Of the less than 10% who have individual private plans, only those that are healthy and not eligible for subsidies or those with plans that leave them vulnerable to financial ruin may see increased premiums. You leave the impression that everyone in those states will see premium increases.

Also left out is the fact that premiums for private individual plans were going up double digits every year before ACA. I know, mine went up over 20% every year. Also, plans were canceled and people were pushed into more expensive plans or forced out of the market before ACA. The only difference is now they have a convenient scapegoat.

Like Dave, I would have much preferred single payer or a public option over this market based plan cooked up by the Conservatives at Heritage. But, if your going to criticize it, at least know what your talking about.

Did I get that right?

No, not even close.

Joe said...

Craig: Well, let’s see if I understand this the majority of people's premiums will not go up. Is that what you are saying? Wanna bet?

Duckys here said...

You lose again, Joe but I admire your determination to twist the truth.

Joe said...

Ducky: I always wanted to be admired by you.

Craig said...

Is that what you are saying?

No. Premiums go up. From 1999 to 2009, premiums increased 131%, before the ACA. Premiums and employee contributions will continue to go up but at a slower rate because of the ACA.

What I am saying is you and Poor Richard are lying about the Actuaries study. The study does not represent premiums. The premise of your entire post is false. Do you even care?

Joe said...

Craig: "Do you even care?"

Not really. I just ramble on about stuff because I like to bear comments from people like you who pick and choose their "experts" according to their own agenda.

Craig said...

I don't misrepresent my sources.

Society of Actuaries (SOA) study

Research sponsored by the Society of Actuaries (SOA) predicts ACA-driven changes in individual market composition of the individual health care market could drive up underlying claims costs by an average of 32 percent nationally by 2017. The research also predicts high variability among states, with as many as 43 states experiencing a double-digit claims cost increase.

Claims not premiums. Could not will. You can't even understand what your "experts" are telling you.

Joe said...

Craig: "I don't misrepresent my sources."

See! There you go again! Either you cannot read with understanding or you deliberately choose to characterize my statements.

I did not say you misrepresent your sources. I said you pick and choose which ones you want to use.

And you just proved my point.

Craig said...

I said you pick and choose which ones you want to use.

Yes. Fine, but I don't twist what my sources say. You did. You said your source predicted something it didn't predict. Why can't you do the honorable thing and admit it instead of changing the subject to my "experts". If you can refute the graph I linked to, do it.