Monday, July 15, 2013

FIRST RESPONDERS

George Zimmerman was found not guilty. That does not mean he was found innocent. No person in the history of the republic has ever been found innocent in a court of law. There is no such thing.

Not guilty means that there was not enough evidence (not emotion...evidence) for a jury to convict George Zimmerman of the crime of which he was accused.

We all have, and are entitled to, our opinions in this case. How we express those opinions reflects who we really are.

So how should we respond?

Well, according to the black community, the proper response is what they too often respond with: The destruction of other people's property. Poor little punks. They've been wronged and they're going to get revenge.

Let's be fair. It is not only the black community that responds with such unmitigated violence. Remember the response of whites after...after. Well, not that one. Maybe it was...it was...

Hmmm!

The only white response to situations that included mass violence I can think of is when unions have responded when things didn't go their way.

This morning (Sunday, July 14, 2013) I watched on TV a group of blacks attack a police car in California.

California!

What the heck has California to do with this verdict and/or this trial.

NOTHING!!!!

Those black destroyers were just stupid, rotten thugs who have no business being a part of society.

"Joe! Joe," I hear you shouting. "That is the very problem! It's racism to point out that the perpetrators of the attack on the police car were black!"

No. It's what happened. I wish it had not happened, but it did.

Look. There is absolutely no excuse for racism. Period. None. But to pretend the people who did this were not black is beyond stupid.

If you are a black person and you defend their actions, you are as stupid as they are and represent your race poorly.

If you are a white person and defend their actions, you are as stupid as they are and represent humanity poorly.

There is no reason, and no excuse, for responding to this verdict with violence of any kind, in any place, in any way. No excuse.

I don't care what color you are. Violence is not a proper response for people who think their "race" has somehow been insulted by the Zimmerman/Martin case. If you want to be treated like a civilized citizen, then act like one. If you don't care to act civilized, then you get what you deserve.

Rioting and destroying property is not the way to improve race relations. It will divide. It will not unite.

Now (July 17, 2013) I see that "demonstrations" are taking place all over the country, some of them resulting in the destruction of personal property, and not the property of George Zimmerman, the jurors, the prosecutor, the defense lawyers or the judge. How stupid is that?

What? Do they think they are going to overturn the verdict with their rampage?

I hear that DOJ is going "to look into the verdict." If that happens, all semblance of justice in our system will disappear and total tyranny will result.

George Zimmerman is not guilty. I do not mean he is innocent. I mean he IS NOT GUILTY. The jury said so, and that's the way it work in America. You want some other system, work to change this one or move to a country where the system is "...guilty until proven innocent." France might be a good choice.

Zimmerman should not fear for his life and limb, unless he does something in the future requiring a physical response, like attack somebody. He should not now pay for shooting Treyvon Martin, because he was found not guilty.

Let it go! Like it, hate it, change the system or get out of the country. Don't you come to my house with your violence, tearing up my property or threatening me with harm. I'll shoot you dead.

41 comments:

Ducky's here said...

Oakland has a history of violence that goes back well before the Zimmerman case and has extensive experience with the cops carrying out extrajudicial assassinations. That's not going to change any tie soon.

As for other areas, the demonstrations were non violent. May I point out that freedom of assembly is a right granted in the Constitution.

Just another example of you and yours being "afraid of the dark", Joe.

Xavier Onassis said...

Joe - "Well, according to the black community, the proper response is what they too often respond with: The destruction of other people's property."

There were a couple of isolated incidents. No widespread riots, no police cars tipped over, no bonfires in the streets, no images of looters making off with big screen TVs and booze.

You must be so disappointed that your racist stereotypes aren't being played out across the nation.

"I hear that DOJ is going "to look into the verdict." If that happens, all semblance of justice in our system will disappear and total tyranny will result."

Nonsense. It is totally appropriate for the DOJ to look into the case and they wil more than likely charge George Zimmerman for violating Treyvon Martin's Civil Rights. The family is also likely to bring a civil lawsuit against Zimmerman. Both of those actions are to be expected in a case like this regardless of the verdict in the criminal trial.

"Zimmerman should not fear for his life and limb, unless he does something in the future requiring a physical response, like attack somebody. He should not now pay for shooting Treyvon Martin, because he was found not guilty."

So it's perfectly OK for George Zimmerman to strap on a loaded gun and roll out into the night looking to take the law in his own hands, but no one else should? Good luck with that. These are the laws that folks like you campaigned for and got passed. Now you are living with the results. You can expect more George Zimmermans out there fulfilling their fantasy of bringing justice to The Evil Doers.

"Don't you come to my house with your violence, tearing up my property or threatening me with harm. I'll shoot you dead."

Ooooohhhh!!! We're all scared of you!!!

sue hanes said...

Joe - I'm with you on this one.

Violence will not change the verdict.

The Debonair Dudes World said...

I have to applaud the jury, these ladies got it right and had the guts to say so. Hopefully, their lives wońt be disturbed by the leftist media and the Al Sharpton slobs who wanted to convict and lynch George Zimmerman before he even had a trial. The State’s false accusations were shameful. Even Obama and Holder threatened this man and made it clear that he would face civil rights violations if found NOT guilty . This the America we live in today. What a shame What a travesty of justice, but thats nothing new from this vile administration.

And this morning I heard that NY Giants Football player Victor Cruz tweeted that “Zimmerman wońt last a year before the hood catches up with him.” And that threat goes without reprisal? And the felt calls the Conservative party a party of hatred? Didn’t that read what I read?
All I know is that I was becoming sick to death hearing that same old crap about that “Black Innocent Child” who was unarmed and holding a bag of Skittles and Iced Tea! Not one world about finding Burglar Tools and stolen Jewelry on that “Black Innocent Child” who was thrown out of School the previous week or that his own Mother Kicked him out of the house that very week. The Leftist Media tried and convicted George Zimmerman on the first day and never stopped presenting him as a monster and Trayvon as a Little Black Angel Child, who was just walking in the rain with his Skittles and Iced Tea. And Zimmerman “Followed him and should have never gotten out of his car! Well folks, wake me up when you can show me that a Neighborhood Watch Man shouldn’t follow someone who didn’t belong in that community and was walking in the rain looking in windows etc. Isn’t that what a And to add to this miss justice, we now found that Eric Holder under the orders of the Obama administration sent crew ( foot-soldiers community organizers) down to Sanford Florida to help organize a Anti-Zimmerman rally along with Al Sharpton. Is anyone shocked? Why am I not surprised?
Neighborhood Watch Man is supposed to do?

It was reported Wednesday, according to documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, that from March 25 to April 12, CRS spent roughly $5,000 upon being deployed to Sanford to work marches, demonstrations, and rallies “related to the shooting and death of an African-American teen by a neighborhood watch captain.”

Xavier Onassis said...

TDDW - "Well folks, wake me up when you can show me that a Neighborhood Watch Man shouldn’t follow someone who didn’t belong in that community and was walking in the rain looking in windows etc."

No. Neighborhood Watch folks should not, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be following or confronting anyone, ever.

Th only legitimate role of a Neighborhood Watch member is to call the police if they see something suspicious. The police will deal with the situation if they decide there is a situation that needs to be dealt with.

Neighboorhood Watch members should NOT be patroling the streets with a loaded weapon and an attitude.

If you go looking for trouble, you will find it.

Darth Bacon said...

That's your interpretation... Mine is that Martin is the one who was looking for trouble. And guess what, he won't be any more

Xavier Onassis said...

DB - What kind of trouble could he have been looking for walking home with a bag of Skittles and an ice tea?

Xavier Onassis said...

TDDW - You should educate yourself about what the CRS is and what role it plays in such situations. Thay way you won't sound stupid when you talk. http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/doj.asp

Ducky's here said...

Nice try, XO. Talking sense can help with some but others are just convinced that the black kid deserved to be killed for looking "out of place".

darth remembers the days of the hooded riders with fondness and represents the portion of right wing America which wishes them back.

Darth Bacon said...

Yeah. Right, again that's your interpretation

Ducky's here said...

Actually, now that I think it over, XO, you may be incorrect.

What community wouldn't want a cowboy like Zimmerman starting a fire fight and pumping a few rounds through someone's living room window.

Come clean, XO, can you think of any better way to feel safe?

The Debonair Dudes World said...

Xavier Onassis said...
TDDW - You should educate yourself about what the CRS is and what role it plays in such situations. Thay way you won't sound stupid when you talk

If that means sounding ANYTHING like you, I think I’ll pass.
And don't show me anything that the phony liberal site "Snopes" says I believe them even less than I believe you. They’re about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it.

Xavier Onassis said...

TDDW - Yeah, I guess to guys like you, REALITY has a liberal bias.

Go seek help. You've gone WAY off the deep end and may be a danger to yourself and others.

Darth Bacon said...

My advice to you XP is to stay away from Sliddles and Iced Tea.

Ducky's here said...

Debonair Dude,what's your top news site, Limbaugh? Malkin? Intergalactic radio waves?

The Debonair Dudes World said...

Ducky's here said...

Debonair Dude,what's your top news site, Limbaugh? Malkin? Intergalactic radio waves?



BIG JOKE, Schmucky, Whats Yours, Bill Maher, The View?

Do YOU people thing that just because Martin was Black he was Innocent just walking along with his Skiddles and Iced Tea?

I really think that you do.

Anonymous said...

Trayvon Martin has been portrayed by his supporters as an innocent youth armed with nothing more than a bag of Skittles candy and a can of Arizona Iced Tea on the night he was killed by neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman
We should bloody encourage victims of violence to defend themselves against “innocently” ground pounding and banging their heads into concrete, by any means, including shooting them if necessary. “profiling”, following, getting out of your car had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the aggressor was guilty of the above..
And you people who will not let this verdict be, and wish to protest and riot over it, remember that the facts were proved, don’t forget about all of that! But satisfy your bias by just marching around like a mob of lynch happy hoodlums and scream until you get the verdict you want. This is how justice works, dammit! Get used to it, it works both ways. You can’t have it your way if you don’t like it. But if you march and howl in the streets until you get what you want then go a head. But don’t complain and cry about how the other side behaves. The prosecution was not only bad, but wrong. They had no case at all. Those pesky things we call “facts” and “evidence”, were all on Zimmermans side. But go ahead, try on your theory for size.

Pinning some creepy-ass cracker to the ground and trying to murder him by repeatedly banging his head against the concrete, is not exactly what I’d call a innocent “boy” waling around with skittles and iced tea.
And as for the Civil Tights violation that us liberal want the Justice Dept to file, let us not forget that a problem with a civil suit the defense can hammer Trayvon and all the evidence (the texting for guns, the drugs, suspension from school, punching the school bus driver, the stolen jewelry etc etc) that was not allowed in the criminal trial against George Zimmerman to paint a not-so-rosey picture of Trayvon, CAN BE ALLOWED in this one... so it might not be such a wise move after all.

Heroes Are Ordinary Men Who Do Extraordinary Things in Extraordinary Times said...

Xavier Onassis, Your president had created more racism than the kkk ever could've dreamed of creating. I hope that you are proud.

Xavier Onassis said...

HAOMWDETIET - First of all, you need to get a user name that isn't ridiculous. Ya know, like "Bob" or something.

But more to the point, President Obama didn't create ANY racism. The racism came from all of the bigots who knew they couldn't use the "N word" so they substituted Socialist instead and who choke on their own vomit at the very thought of a black man sitting in the Whie House.

I'm guessing that describes you pretty well.

Spidy said...

Xavier Onassis you are showing just how stupid and how typical liberals resort to name calling when they know how stupid they sound.

By the way, are you related to Rachel Jeantel?

Ducky's here said...

I'm with XO.

How did Obama "create" any racism?

Care to kick ff the band, Spidy?

Ducky's here said...

@Joe - Well, according to the black community, the proper response is what they too often respond with: The destruction of other people's property.

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Notice that Joe implies that the actions in California are representative of the entire black community despite peaceful protests elsewhere.

Is it racism in Joe's case?

Xavier Onassis said...

Spidy - I didn't call anyone any names.

Anonymous said...

Good, stay there .

Anonymous said...

Maybe those were the good old days?

Philip Gordon said...

“George Zimmerman to Got His Gun Back” - ABC News
Well thanks to the idiots who can’t respect the jury’s verdict, and the bleeding heart liberals running wild in the streets, and the death threats that he has been getting. He needs it more now then ever.
Suck on it libtards.
Instead of Obama’s stupid speeches and his phoney Gun Control excuses, What we really need is more Americans like Zimmerman to stop thugs like Trayvon Martin..

The next thing we hear is that Obama wants yo give Trayvon Martin a Holiday names for in in February, after all there are still 15 days not named after Black Martyr's

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

For the liberals of the world who think Zimmerman was wrong and Trayvon was just an innocent kid, think about these FACTS:

1. Zimmerman, while exercising poor judgment by getting out of his car, was doing nothing wrong. It is NOT illegal to follow someone.

2. Martin had reached his father’s abode (as reported by his girlfriend) and yet went back to get Zimmerman – an intentional move towards confrontation with someone who was doing nothing wrong or illegal.

3. Martin began the altercation – He is who instituted the assault.

4. Zimmerman was being sat upon and savagely beaten and resorted to the gun for defense of life and limb.

5. Take a look at this article, especially the last two points:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/07/17/10-Facts-the-media-Arent-telling-you-about-the-zimmerman-case

Zimmerman was not guilty of racism, nor of intent to harm, nor of anything illegal. He defended himself appropriately when he was assaulted for no reason other than the paranoia of Martin

Martin was guilty of assault and battery. He had demonstrated intent to harm from the very first moment he decided to confront Zimmerman.

Now quit your liberal, anti-gun, racist rants! Justice was done.

Xavier Onassis said...

G.E.C. - "1. Zimmerman, while exercising poor judgment by getting out of his car, was doing nothing wrong. It is NOT illegal to follow someone."

It may not be illegal to follow someone. But it IS threatening! If you were walking down a street in your neighborhood at night and a black man you didn't know was following you...you would be soiling yourself out of paranoid fear and rushing home to get your guns.


"4. Zimmerman was being sat upon and savagely beaten and resorted to the gun for defense of life and limb."

Let's assume for a minute that's true. Zimmerman supposedly had not drawn his firearm, but had it in a holster clipped to the back of his belt. If Trayvon is straddling and pummeling him, how is he able to reach behind his back, wedge his hand between his back and the pavement with someone sitting on top of him, unholster his gun, release the safety, chamber a round (a two handed operation), position the gun point blank and shoot Trayvon Martin without Trayvon Martin seeing what he is trying to do and make an effort to stop him???

That's ridiculous! That's impossible! Nothing about that scenario stands up to close scrutiny.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

X.O.

No, I've had any black people walking behind me at night, going in the same direction. I've also had Mexican people walking behind me in the same direction. Never bothered me. Trayvon had a history, if you'd care to look, of talking about beating people up.

You obviously don't read the reports about the incident. Zimmerman's gun was in more of a frontal position, and when his shirt was lifted up in front due to the beating he was getting with Trayvon straddling him, the gun became exposed and apparently Trayvon saw it, which led Zimmerman to grab it first.

Everything stands up to scrutiny, and it was examined by the police on the scene and the earlier investigation. It was the racists who demanded charges be filed because no one other than a black man is allowed to shoot a black man. Throughout the trial every piece of evidence confirmed Zimmerman's story. Liberals like you just can't stand it that someone defended himself with a gun. You pee your pants just hearing the word "GUN".

Joe said...

XO: My, my! You are SO uninformed!

Xavier Onassis said...

Joe - No, it is you and G.E.C. who are pitifully and willfully uninformed.

http://bewytchme.com/george-zimmerman-left-hand-right-holster/

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

X.O.
I have never doubted that Zimmerman was most likely using his arms trying to defend himself while on the ground. Also, he was probably rolling back and forth trying to get out from under Martin. (I know, I've been there and done that). Look at the photo of Zimmerman demonstrating - the gun is not on his back, it is towards the back on the right hip. Nothing shows he was not telling the truth, contrary to the speculations and assertions made on your liberal site.

You liberals just hate guns and they scare you so you want to do away with them. You don't like anyone defending themselves. You nothing but little girls wetting your pants whenever you see a photo of a gun.

Xavier Onassis said...

G.E.C. - "...he was probably rolling back and forth trying to get out from under Martin. (I know, I've been there and done that)."

I don't doubt that for a minute. I imagine you got beat up quite a lot as a kid. I can understand why.

"You liberals just hate guns and they scare you so you want to do away with them. You don't like anyone defending themselves. You nothing but little girls wetting your pants whenever you see a photo of a gun."

Idiot. I own 3 guns. A 12 gauge pump action shotgun, a 30.06 hunting rifle and a Colt single action six-shooter made in 1909. They neither scare me or cause me to soil myself. And I'm a damn good shot with all three.

But what I don't do is keep them loaded within arms reach or tote them around with me looking for an excuse to use them on someone.

Because I'm not a paranoid lunatic scared of my own shadow (or other dark human shapes).

But then again, I wasn't a human punching bag for the neighborhood bullies when I was a kid.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

X.O.

The reason I got beat up as a teen was because my brother and I were the only non-Mexican kids where we were living in the Federal Housing Projects in Denver. They beat us up because of our skin color. Very racist of them, wouldn’t you say? Also very cowardly because they never attacked with less than 4 to one odds.

Try reviewing this video for the truth about the thug Martin and what he was really doing that night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu6Yvzs4Ls

I’ll bet your guns are plastic replicas and you pretend to shoot them, and imagine you are a good shot.

Xavier Onassis said...

G.E.C. - EUREKA! If you were seeing a counsellor (which you really, REALLY should be!), we would consider this to be a breakthrough moment! A real milestone in your treatment and recovery!

We now know why you hate all dark people and feel so threatened that you hide behind locked doors with multiple loaded weapons within arms reach and why you absolutely pee yourself whenever you have to go outside and deal with real people.

You were bullied and beaten as a child and you never matured past that trauma. You are still a terrified 12 year old boy who is afraid of everything around you.

This explains SO MUCH!

This is huge! Good for you!

Now, there is only one other area of your past that we really need to confront in order to begin the healing process.

Show me on the doll where the bad Mexican touched you.

Xavier Onassis said...

G.E.C - I clicked on your video link and as soon as I saw "Bill Whittle" i knew it was (in deference to our hosts sensibilities) complete and utter bovine feces.

I treat anything from Breitbart the same way.

Complete and utter nonsense devoid of any actual facts.

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

X.O.

You are a jackass.

Yes, as a teen I got to hating all the Mexican gang members and all other Mexicans who looked like them. But I was madly in love with a Mexican girl.

People do tend to hate those who harm them, but intelligent people don't hate everyone of the same culture/skin color just because of the few idiots.

I have never been, nor am I now a "racist," because I consider everyone to be of one "race" - the human race.

Your belief in the whole field of psychobabble is part of the reason you are such an ignorant fool.

Xavier Onassis said...

G.E.C.- "Yes, as a teen I got to hating all the Mexican gang members and all other Mexicans who looked like them. But I was madly in love with a Mexican girl."

Hmm, let me guess. She didn't love you back?

Tell me more. We are making real progress here.

You should be paying $75-$100 an hour for this level of healing.

But I am willing to help you Pro Bono.

I'll ask you again. Show me on the doll where the bad Mexican touched you.

Did you enjoy it?

Did you feel bad about that?

Did you feel dirty?

Glenn E. Chatfield said...

X.O.

Yeah, nothing conservative can have facts, can it? You just don't want to admit that what was there was 100% factual evidence which destroyed your charges against Zimmerman and showed that your lapping of the racist trash of the media was utter nonsense.

You have a perverted mind. YOU are the one who needs serious help. But then, you are an unbeliever condemned to hell for eternity, so what can I expect.

Xavier Onassis said...

G.E.C. - "You have a perverted mind. YOU are the one who needs serious help. But then, you are an unbeliever condemned to hell for eternity, so what can I expect."

You, sir, are HILARIOUS!

Xavier Onassis said...

TDDW: "And don't show me anything that the phony liberal site "Snopes" says I believe them even less than I believe you. They’re about as reliable as a condom with a hole in it."

You really are a gullible idiot. Do a little fact checking before you open your moth and let the stupid spill out.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm