Wednesday, April 11, 2012


Let’s do one more review of “ObamaCare” and its issues. Let’s try to find out what’s really wrong with it in principle and practice.

1. It was passed in haste with few, if any, Senators and Congressmen having had the time to read it. After all, it is 2,700 pages long! Nancy Pelosi’s sequence of “We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what’s in it” is so convoluted that it has never before been used in legislation.

2. The bill contains a hierarchy of micro-regulation by un-elected, unaccountable, unconstrained, unknown and unnumbered bureaucracy, so much so that the administration has already granted a long list of exemptions to various companies and especially to unions.

3. It allows the federal government to dictate to employers and employees what their health insurance has to cover.

4. In ObamaCare, decision making power is relegated to bureaucrats, who can pretty much make whatever boneheaded decisions they like about it without fear of retribution.

5. ObamaCare raises the false expectation that anyone can “keep their plan if they like it.” Never mind that the cost of any other “plan” will become so expensive that only the elite will be able to afford it.

Faced with expensive mandates and less expensive fines, many employers will choose the fines and cause their employees to move to government-sponsored plans.

6. The plan also raises the false expectation that it would mandate many “new” benefits while reducing the average family premium by $2,500.00.

According to the government’s own CBO, a typical family health insurance plan costing $12,300 today will cost more than twice that by 2019.

7. Another false expectation is that ObamaCare will not add “…a single dime…” to the federal deficit.

Last October, the administration dropped the long-term care program known as the Class Program from implementation of the new law as financially unworkable. It also added $111 billion premium subsidies to its proposed fiscal 2013 budget.

8. ObamaCare is filled with “ticking time bombs: massive new health entitlement redistribution programs, even for families not in need.

It discriminates against young people, forcing them to purchase health insurance at inflated prices in order to subsidize older beneficiaries.

9. The law includes a multitude of new taxes, wholly inadequate for paying the bill for new entitlements, leaving rationing as a last resort.

10. ObamaCare (The Affordable Care Act) is unaffordable. It is also unsustainable.

It is my humble, but correct, opinion that the Supreme Court should strike down ObamaCare. If it does not, Congress should repeal it.

Come to think of it, President BO (the child president) should be struck down…by that I do not mean anything other than defeated in November.


a conservative white folk said...

Cuess who the real Obama is?
Muslim,Buddhist, Dr Mehmet Oz, a Wimpy Vampire,a Black Man, a Mulatto, a con artist, a undercover Russian, a Hindu or a Navajo Medicine Man?

The loser wins a Dinner with Barack?

Darth Bacon said...

Good post Joe, that kind of say’s it all.

The fate of the rest of the world rests on us, if Obama is re-elected you can kiss your freedoms goodbye.
If obamacare stands you can kiss your freedoms goodbye! and Christianity will become illegal as the USA will become a Muslim nation.
And the fate of Moochelles next five star vacation rests on his re-election.

Onward Ducky and Shaw and the rest of you Comrades! This might be your last chance to Enslave Humanity.

Lets not forget that we have Nancy Pelosi on our side, who need the SCOTUS!

Putting a bounty on an American citizen who hasn't been found guilty of anything yet? I’m going to the gun store tomorrow.
My Lord, all this because an Hispanic Democrat shot the black kid who was pounding his head into the pavement

Joe said...

acwf: I don't know about most of that, but he is certainly leading the country in the wrong direction.

DB: President BO (the child president) and his minions certainly are bent on "changing" America into something unrecognizable.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

"....It is my humble, but correct, opinion that the Supreme Court should strike down ObamaCare....."

Did you know that an opinion can be considered correct even though the substance of that opinion is actually incorrect?

o·pin·ion  (noun)
....a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

Whether opinions can be construed as humble or hubristic is a topic for another day.

Joe said...

ALTC: People ask me why I am so certain my opinions are right.

I always answer by asking them to make me a list of the opinions they hold that they know are wrong, but they hold them anyway.

Ducky's here said...

I had lunch with a friend yesterday and we were talking about the bill. He mentioned that his son would not be able to get health coverage due to Crohn's disease.

Chronic condition makes it impossible to get coverage and the bill resolves that condition.

Now I certainly don't think for profit insurers are an efficient vehicle to cover health issues but I have even less sympathy for the idiots in this nation who do not understand the nature of insurance.

Making people purchase insurance from an entity that gives them no competitive pricing is a big problem but for some reason the right would rather bend over than deal with the insurers.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

If the postulates you embrace are 'reality' and 'truth' then they are no longer 'opinions'; they are 'truths'.
The antonym of the word opinion is truth.
You need to add to your answer-question: "to which they are willing to admit holding" after the word 'opinions' and deleting the words:'they hold'.
And you'll need to ask further if they can actually understand the concept of 'Double-Think' - holding two completely conflicting views at the same time and believing both at the same time.
Politicians get where they do because they know EVERYONE is guilty of this to some degree!

Darth Bacon said...

Hey Dwucky-Wucky, is George Zimmerman Innocent until proven guilty or just flat out Guilty if a black kid is killed?
Whether or not he's ultimately guilty I cant say, but he should be treated with the same sort of precaution that anyone suspected of murder should be. At least that's the way it was in "Pre-Obama" America.. Do Liberal's like Dwucky believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights are the enemy of Liberals and Progressive's like him and like Shaw whats her name. . Liberals and Progressive's like him and like Shaw want more government regulation and bureaucracy, and more entitlements, hand outs, and redistribution of the wealth that honest hardworking people earn.
They support drugs, and oppose a strong military to defend our country. For the most part, liberal are simply bashers of everything that us Conservatives support. Progressive is just a buzz word for Socialism, Marxism and especially Communism.
I honestly think all libs like the above mentioned ones really hate America and love criminals and terrorists, I think they are suffering from a form of mental retardation.

Lisa said...

"i had lunch with a friend yesterday and we were talking about the bill. He mentioned that his son would not be able to get health coverage due to Crohn's disease."

There goes Ducky another liberal pulling out the victim card to justify the rest o us having to pay for socialized medicine.. That provision could have became law without the rest of the 2500 pages I am sure

Robert said...

Obamacare will fail, and so will anyother form of "socialized medicine" because under Obamacare the government will force you, under penalty of law, to be required to purchase health care, failure to do so could land you in prison. Can you find anywhere in the Constitution where citizens are ordered to purchase insurance? Of course not, because there is no such law.

Since there is nothing in the entire Constitution that makes it a law to force citizens to have to purchase anything from anyone, there is a high probability that the health care reform bill is in violation of the entire Constitution.

Obama, Pelosi and Reid don’t care, because liberals believe the Constitution is a “living document” to simply be molded to fit whatever issue or program is currently the fad of the liberal agenda. It is a simple way to ignore that annoying Article Five, which provides the legal, constitutional instructions to Congress on what protocol and procedures must be followed to make subsequent amendments to the law of the land. By claiming the Constitution as a “living document,” liberals simply bypass the law, and the voters, to get what they want. Obamacare’s mandate will be declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, and that will be the end of Obamacare, and hopefully Obama.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

If Obamacare succeeds it will become a legislative Obamacairn.

Speaking of Double-Think, I'll give you an example.

My neighbour excels in creating a magnificent christmas light display upon his house each holiday season. He admitted once that the total wattage of the display exceeded 3,000 Watts - it cost him about $1.00 per hour in electricity to operate it.
He can afford it.
I asked him why he does it each year. His answer? "To display my joy and wishes of peace and goodwill towards all people."
Fair enough I reckon.
I then mention: "You do know that 30 percent of the electricity generated 'round here is by virtue of extremely polluting coal-fired generation plants that cause all manner of breathing difficulties for those downwind of it and are solely responsible for at least 7 deaths a year?"
And I continue: "So by using electricity to promote 'goodwill towards people' you are actually contributing to the deaths of some of them?"
His response?
"(Expletive deleted) you!"
It does not bode well to reveal to people their own Double-Think hypocrisy. And what is worse? These folks can vote!

Lisa said...

Hey ALC did you know how much Obama pollutes the air when flying around the country and the world demonizng oil companies around with his little army of fighter jets,not to mention Michelle Antoinette's use of the same little army when she goes vacationing to one of her exclusive places.
And these people are in the White House!

Mark said...

I would personally love to have free health care, which is what I first thought Obamacare was going to be, until we found out about the individual mandate. Unfortunately, somebody has to pay for healthcare.

There is no such thing as free healthcare.

Ducky's here said...

Lisa , do you understand the concept of insurance?

We pool the risk. It works pretty well since most all of us will have an event like Joe's artificial hip or my friend's son's congenital disease.

It has nothing to do with socialized medicine, a concept that implies state ownership of the means of health care delivery. It involves INSURANCE. Got it, fringe righty?

So if one of your little darlings can't get insured and comes down with leukemia, say, we just tell the little darling to buck up but no dead beats allowed?

Is that how it goes in your sick world? Right wingers, seriously sick individuals.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

The above Canard said,

".....comes down with leukemia(sic),....."

One does not 'come down with' leukaemia, one 'develops' it. Semantics? Perhaps, but important.

Please note:
When an otherwise bright person is arguing with a not-so-bright person and a third person observes, the third person will be quite challenged to determine who is which.

ALL present company excluded of course!

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

And by 'present company' I mean to infer that there are no bright, not-so-bright or third persons here 'bouts so no one should take any offence to what I pixellated above.

Ducky's here said...

First of all Aquarians Love to Fart, leukemia is the proper spelling. We use American English here butt munch.

Second point, you are a pedantic jerk.

Third point, when the short bus crowd like Lisa start tossing around the word socialism discussion is impossible. Ridicule is the only option.

Ducky's here said...

@Lisa --- That provision could have became law without the rest of the 2500 pages I am sure


Dear, dear Lisa. How did you get so naive.

Do you think that insurers would allow that clause without a considerable quid pro quo?

Pitch till you win.

The Debonair Dudes World said...

Ducky those remarks to Lisa and to ALTC were so very much like the bunch of deaf,dumb,and blind sickos who are ruining America with their racism charges against everyone who disagrees with them, who put a bounty on an American citizen who hasn't been found guilty of anything yet? . Goebbels would be very proud of you..
If you were awake during your history classes in elementary school then you would know that one of Hitler's liberal ideas was a nationalized health care system. Except it wasn't called Obama Care at the time, it was called HitlerCare. Like all other dictators in the past, Obama won't give up until he gets what he wants.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

".....deaf,dumb,and blind sickos...."

I don'ts know nothin' 'bout the sickos, but I do know the deaf, dumb and blind kid sure plays a mean pinball!

Pete Townshend jumps off his amp with his trademark 'haymaker' guitar slash!

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

Dearest Bojangles,

".....We use American English here butt munch......"

Maybe, but y'all secretly wish you knew the Queen's English - or even your own version for that matter.

'butt munch'?

I love that. Though I do not love to dispel flatulence.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

Ode to Bojangles

How do you think he does it?
I don't know!
What makes him so rude?

He ain't got no distractions
Can't hear those buzzers and bells,
Don't see truth a flashin'
Thinks by sense of smell.
Always has a riposte,
that makes no sense at all
That deaf dumb and blind kid
Bojangles Drakelet's call.

Ducky's here said...

Okay Debonair Dude, why don't you tell me how the "Obamacare" bill constitutes socialized medicine.

Give me your best game but pardon me if I think you don't know your butt from your elbow.

Come on rather than complain that I'm not politically correct and a bunch of other aphorisms tell me where I was incorrect.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

"....and a bunch of other aphorisms....."


What a pedantic jerk!
As I am one, I am able to calls 'em as I sees 'em.
Now is that a terse saying embodying a general truth or astute observation, or what?

Now the above is funny, Bojangles 'cause an 'aphorism' is defined as a terse saying which embodies a general truth or astute observation.

Anonymous said...

This just in!!!!!
Read and WEEP all you douchebag republicans..George Zimmerman To Be Charged In Trayvon Martin Shooting: Report

Anonymous said...

As always the Republicans are on the wrong side of the issue. I can't wait to see George in the electric chair, or with a dose of deadly serum

The Debonair Dudes World said...

My butt from my elbow.
I could say something about that, but I'll respect Joe's policy.

Anyway, I' pass on that cute little kiddie nonsense, and answer you.
Ok, it’s not socialized medicine, per se. So lets call it socialized health care! But more immortally numb nuts, it’s a step (a giant step) towards socialization. And whole we are on the subject of calling it like it is, lets call a spade a spade the bill as it was original written and that Obama couldn’t ger passed even with the help of Nancy what’s her face double talked about was exactly socialized medicine. But the public option was so strongly against it was changed and dropped from the final bill.

And just in case you haven't been paying attention, the government will controlling it, so how far from being socialized is it! The way that I see it, forced and or mandated anything by the government is a form of socialism. And that’s the progressive’s agenda.
ObamaCare, HillaryCare, it’s all the same. You can give it any name you want to. It’s still a form of socialized medicine, since it mandates us or forces us to buy government insurance that we may neither need, or want or afford. I for one don’t care to be to be one of the governments customers. If calling it socialized pisses you off, then so be it.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

".....I' pass on that cute little kiddie nonsense,....."

'kiddie nonsense'?

Fi sir!
I'm using my top material here!
Deeply subtle sarcasm and ebullient wit!

".....But more immortally numb nuts, it’s a step (a giant step) towards socialization....."

You pixellate the above childish ad hominem - 'numb nuts' and curious malapropism - 'immortally' and I am called the 'kiddie'?

At least you recognised the cuteness.
Thank you.

How’s that Hopey-Changey Thing Working Out for Ya? said...

What a fascinating debate this is.
Please allow me to chime in.
Obama has done more things to ruin this country than just Obamacare. And I'll be more than happy to spell then out for you.
Here are just a few things Obama bin LYING has done so far....
1 - Fast and Furious - Operation Gun Runner
2 - G.E sending 36000 Jobs Overseas,(Obama handpicked G.E. CEO to head his Jobs Committee)
3 - Solyndra
4 - Lightsquared
5 - Increased our deficit over 40% in 2/12 years
6 - The harassment of Gibson Guitars
7 - The Drilling Moratoriums
8 - Soaring FOOD and Gas Prices
9 - NO Shovel Ready Jobs
10 - The Downgrade of America's credit rating ( First time in American history)
11 - First time in American history over 42 MILLION Americans are living in poverty
12 - Never passed a BUDGET ( First time in 34 YEARS)
13 - America drops to 5th place in GLOBAL COMPETITIVENESS
14 - Over 400,000 small businesses closing every year under Obama
15 - Our Debt has increased $4,247,000,000,000 in just 945 days! . (That's the fastest increase under any president ever!)
16 - No Summer Recovery
17 - Fed Suing States and States suing Feds
18 - Pressured Retired General Shelton to ALTER his testimony
19 - Enable the LARGEST number of HOME FORECLOSURES
20 - Turn America into the LARGEST FOOD STAMP NATION
22 - Force a Trillion dollar disaster down our throats called Obamacare WITHOUT EVEN READING THE BILL
23 - Create OVER 25 million UNEMPLOYED
24 - Appoint a TAX CHEAT for Sec. of the TREASURY!
25 - Appoint over 34 UN-ELECTED CZARS
26 - Eric Holder turns a blind eye to voter intimidation by the Black Panthers then justifies with racial comments
27 - Eric Holder pardons Mark Rich! (indicted on charges of tax evasion and illegal trading with Iran.)
28 - First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect
29 - First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space
30 - First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
31 - First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts
32 - First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
33 - First time in American history a President with a Socialist radical anti American past gets elected, with the help of ACORN and the Black Panthers and gets away with it!
34 - Blocks fact finding mission of congressional investigation of solyndra $$$ scandal.
35 - First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places.
Motr importantly, congratulating Obama for getting bin Ladin is like congratulating Ronald McDonald for a good hamburger. It's the cook who deserves the praise, not the clown.

The Debonair Dudes World said...
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The Debonair Dudes World said...

Dear Aquarians Love To Cuddle

When I referred to 'kiddie nonsense and numb nuts' I was referring the the Quacky One, not to you Dear Lady.

Aquarians Love To Cuddle said...

I know you were - I've no nuts to numb.
I was noting that some of your words are also 'little kiddie nonsense' and to refer to mine as same is a case of pot calling kettle fuchsia - or something.
AND my kiddie nonsense is much funnier than your kiddie nonsense.
So there!

Lisa said...

As always the Republicans are on the wrong side of the issue. I can't wait to see George in the electric chair, or with a dose of deadly serum

Hey Moron what makes you think you are on the right side of the issue,because they Obama crowd was prepared to start race riots if Zimmerman didn't get charged,.
Unlike the thug who shot the 2 Brits who had no remorse,Zimmerman had nothing but remorse and sadness.
Remember you stupid race baiter that there was a witness who said Martin was the aggressor. But all you lefty's care about is starting a race riot because none of you advocate for the hundreds of black youth killing each other in the inner cities and innocent children getting shot.
Zimmerman mentored black kids and advocated for police to have the killer of a black homeless man arrested when no one else cared. So take your phony outrage to one of your phony bleeding heart liberal Obama-Che' loving blogs

Oh and Ducky I am sure Joe would not have qualified for a hip replacement under Obama Care at lest maybe not in the next 2 years anyway. You know like in the UK no cataract operations until you are completely,l blind in one eye and no mammograms until you are 47 just reduced from age 50 every 3 ears and no pap smears until you are 25. And if you are in labor you can walk to the hospital if you can't get a ride because the governent can no longer afford to have an ambulance come and get your ass.
Speaking of the war on women
and Granny.

Jeff Nash said...

The New Black Panthers need to be brought up on charges as well! And maybe we should march and protest until that happens.

I'm going to guess that it never will!

Jeff Nash said...

No matter whether they can successfully convict this man they were going to charge him. The spot light on this matter, and the public basically made sure this happened. If they did not arrest him there would be riots, and people getting hurt everywhere..... Now the next question is where in the heck are they going to hold his trial. The liberal bottom feeders will picket wherever his trial is held. I'm guessing in Kenya!

Obamanot said...

I wonder where "Reverend" Sharpton will hold his champagne celebration dinner tonight, now that his mob forced an arrest of George Zimmerman? Score one for the race-baiting bullies of America. They will now be more emboldened and empowered than ever. We all better hang on for dear life now. This is disgraceful.