Monday, December 13, 2010


Look! This is Florida, for Pete's sake!

No, not the picture...where I live.

I live in Florida.

Not just Florida...SOUTHWEST Florida!

This is where snowbirds come to get away from the cold!

Right now, much of the country is covered in snow so deep people are stranded on roadways, stadium roofs are collapsing and IT'S ALL LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVES' FAULT!!!

That's right!

It was you guys who worked so hard to convince us that our cars and factories and power generating plants and oil rigs and coal mines were causing a greenhouse effect that was resulting in GLOBAL WARMING!

Those were YOUR words, not ours.

Sure, you changed in mid-stream and began using the new term, climate change, which was really typically liberal/progressive stupidity, since the word "climate" has historically MEANT "weather change."

But you didn't let up on your insistance that our cars and factories and power generating plants, etc. were the problem.

I can hear the echoes of your words now, "We HAVE to stop driving those polluting cars...."

Well now look what you've done!

We all stopped driving, we no longer produce power in oil, coal or other fossil fuel consuming plants and look where it got us!

For the second year in a row, we have record, paralyzing cold with snow in some places up to 25 feet in drifts!

People in Miami, Florida, who have never had to worry about heat in winter, are now actually freezing and have no way to heat their homes!

Here in Southwest Florida we will experience sub-freezing temperatures tonight, possibly wiping our our vegetable crops, resulting in higher prices at the grocery store in this poor economy brought on by, who else, stupid liberal/progressives like Barney there's nothing wrong with Fannie Mae or Freddie Mack Frank, and Nancy we have to pass the bill to know what's in it Pelosi.


I am voraciously angry with you liberal/progressives!

You did this to us and don't try to deny it!

YOU are the ones who told us we were warming up, not Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity or Levin, YOU!

"Listen to us!" you urged! "We are smarter than you'll ever think of being because we're elites and we know what's good for you better than you do!"

Well give it up!

I will never listen to you again.

As for the rest of us, I URGE you to drive your cars more!

If your family has two cars, or more, drive them all as far as you can every day!


If you run a coal burning plant, fire up the furnace! Get those greenhouse gasses flowing!

It's the only way we're going to stop this pre-winter madness!





Krystal said...

LOL!!! I felt the same way when we were hit with the ice storm just about two years ago. They were screaming global warming and we were covered with ice...

Fredd said...

I hear ya, Joe. I am doing my part by putting up so many Christmas lights on my house, you can see it from space.

Clark Griswold's got nothing on me, lemme tell ya. My electric meter is spinning so fast, I am worrying that it might burn out a bearing....

Scotty said...

You and I have hope Joe, it'll get better as soon as Crist is gone!! Hang in there brother!!

My electric meter is spinning just as fast, Fredd, but from my electrically powered furnace!! You'll find most Florida homes are total electric.

Joe said...

Krystal: Global warming makes it safe to leave your fresh foods outside.

Fredd: As soon as I get into space, I'll be sure to look for your lights.

Scotty: Crist HAS sort of put a chill over Florida, hasn't he?

Xavier Onassis said...

You clearly have no understanding of meteorology, climatology, the hydrologic cycle, or the actual, irrefutable, easily verifiable facts regarding modern global anthropogenic carbon emissions.

Global warming doesn't mean that everybody, everywhere experiences higher temperatures, longer summers and shorter winters.

Global climatology is just a teensy weensy more complicated than that. Which is why scientists stopped talking about "global warming" and started talking about "climate change". Because the simpletons weren't getting it.

An increase in the average global temperature of just a few degrees is "global warming" but it doesn't mean "everything everywhere gets hotter". It means there is a fundamental disruption in the normal (i.e. non-human) thermal characteristics of the factors that control our weather patterns.

Human industrial activity has contributed to an increase in the average global temperature.

This is having an impact on ocean currents and atmospheric activity that is, in fact, changing the climate.

This manifests itself in weather patterns across the globe that do not fit the norm.

I realize all of this is way more complex than "hot/cold" or "good/bad", but sometimes having an informed opinion about something actually requires you to gather facts, perform analysis and reach a conclusion.

Think people, think!

A cold winter in one location no more disproves global climate change than a hot summer in another location proves it.

Ducky's here said...

It's pretty nice in Boston. Warmer in Maine than Florida. Good 'ol climate change.

Hope you get a good two footer some day.

ablur said...

XO: Just to make sure you do your homework, check out when the CO2 spikes occur in past climate change events. They always occur after a peak heat period just before the temperatures fall. In several instances the falling temperatures brought about an ice age or a glacial expansion.
The flaw in the global warming/climate change loons is that they don't understand the relationship CO2 actually has to temperature.

Xavier Onassis said...

ablur - You are talking about natural, historical CO2 spikes that have nothing to do with modern industrial activity.

Not the same thing at all.

In an Ice Age, the North Pole doesn't melt enough to open up the long sought Northwest Passage.

Ice Ages don't generally result in Antarctic glaciers the size of Connecticut calving off the ice shelf and wandering through the shipping lanes.

Scotty said...

Xavier Onassis is the nom de blog for a cranky, old, white guy spewing often ill-informed opinions about whatever the Hell he wants, just because he can.

'bout says it all!

tha malcontent said...

Blame it on Bush!

ablur said...

I live within eye shot of Mt. St. Helens. On May 18, 1980 the mountain put more CO2 and other pollutants into the air then all the cars and factories on the planet do in a year. This does not even account for the other little burps and rumbles it demonstrated.
We have had other volcanic events as big and even bigger then this one. Man's total output is a speck in the grand scheme of mother natures fury and its daily events.

The material rot under the canopy of the rain forest creates vast amounts of CO2. In fact it boosts the vegetative growth.

The planet without our help has moved up and down in temperature as much as 2 degrees over the millinia. Why should a half a degree over a hundred years be a big deal?

Joe said...

XO: "Human industrial activity has contributed to an increase in the average global temperature."

You've been taught well, but you've been taught wrongly.

Xavier Onassis said...

ablur - I've heard that tired old argument so many times from so many people that "...within eye shot of Mt. St. Helens" must be one of the most densly populated areas of the U.S.

Problem is the argument doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.

If I have a bucket of water, I can take an acetylene torch that will cut through metal, apply it to the water for a split second and not much will happen. I might get a brief flash of steam, but that's about it.

But if I take a heat source with a much lower temperature than the torch and apply it to the water steadily, consistently, over a long period of time, I can bring that bucket of water to a boil and keep it boiling until it's all gone.

Mt. St. Helens was a nanosecond incident in geologic history. It was nothing.

But mankind has been applying a slow, steady burn to the global climate since the industrial age began.

We are having an effect. The science is quite clear.

I've found that most climate change deniers come from one or two core camps that have nothing to do with science.

There are The Holy Profiteers who believe that God gave the earth and everything in it and on it to Adam and his descendants to do with as they please. In their minds, mankind is free to rape, pillage and plunder the entire planet for their own profit with Divine Impunity.

Then there's the Left Behind folks who figure what with The Rapture coming any day now and all the Good Christians being lifted up to Heaven it don't much matter what kind of raggedy planet is left behind for the sinners.

But none of them have a scrap of credible scientific evidence to back their claims that mankind's industrial activities have not had a significant impact on the global climate.

Joe said...

XO: "Mt. St. Helens was a nanosecond incident in geologic history. It was nothing."

What is the total expulsion of all the "greenhouse gasses" of all the volcanos since the formation of the earth? More or less than that of all of the industry in history?

It is industry that is less than a nanodrop in the bucket of geologic history.

You need some lessons in straight line logic, instead of that circular stuff you stick to.

Xavier Onassis said...

Joe - You need to read up on your Alan Moore.

"Think about it like this – the only straight lines made in nature are made by man, and similarly our industrial world has been built with the same straight-line logic and, philosophy. Yet nature is not like that, it has no straight lines. Nature flows, nature is more connected, grass roots and interdependent. It suggests a different type of process and logic at play that is not; centralized, bureaucratic or inflexible. This is the world of no straight lines.

For straight-line thinkers the world of no straight lines is akin to living in a foreign land; the customs, language, symbols etc., are dis-lo-cating-ly alien – they are outsiders, unable to fully participate, as they do not have the comprehension, nor the insight, or the necessary capability to fully engage. They have become concussed observers to the vital world around them."

Joe said...

XO: The next time you want to cool down, go crawl into an oven. You'll freeze to death.

That "nature" has no straight lines is, first of all, untrue. Secondly, you can't equate human reason with the forces of nature.

"Straight line" has a different meaning in logic than it has in engineering.

Your lectures are neither thoughtful nor meaningful.

Xavier Onassis said...


Straight line logic.

1st Postulate: Ducks like water.

2nd Postulate: I like water.

Conclusion: I am a duck.

Sometimes the world is a bit more complicated than that and "straight line logic" isn't always a reliable way to model reality.

Joe said...

XO: That was NOT an example of straight line logic.

Do you have one?

ablur said...

Looking on a map I live 32 miles from both Mt St Helens and Mt Hood. Didn't realize I lived so exactly between the two.
The population is getting bigger all the time with everyone leaving California.
The earth has a natural ability to scrub its atmosphere. This very fact renders bunk half of what you are trying to put forth. CO2 is plant food. Here in the great Pacific Northwest we have an abundance of plant life. In the state of Oregon it was recently proven that they have more forest land then when Lewis and Clark were tourists. Perhaps the CO2 loving life has done well with industry.

Reality is I don't have a problem with the concept and measurements that lead people to believe we have global warming. I don't have a problem with the fact that it took almost 50 years for the planet to raise one degree and ten years to lose it.
My problem is with the method to which said temperature was changed. Facts that point out a different source then man are far too numerous to ignore. If you are open to discuss perhaps we can look at some of these issues.