Excerpts from GeeeeeZ.
"The Departments of Education and Justice have teamed up to make the lives of students in tough neighborhoods even tougher. Framed as a measure to combat discrimination against black and Hispanic children, the guidelines issued by the Obama administration about school discipline will actually encourage racial discrimination."
"The Obama administration now advises that any disciplinary rule that results in a "disparate impact" on these (various ethnic and cultural) groups will be challenged by the government."
"...the Obama administration's pursuit of group justice actually leads to injustice to individual students."
"The left has gone insane. And we're going to pay the price."
Read more about it at GeeeeeZ.
Saturday, January 18, 2014
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We know that the law is applied disproportionately against blacks in non violent drug cases or in stop and frisk.
We put young blacks into the criminal system for no good reason to their detriment but we are to assume this same misapplication doesn't exist in schools?
Your cheap indignation masks your inability to think clearly on this.
You'll go for the cheap sensationalism every time, Joe.
Ducky: ...applied disproportionately against blacks in non violent drug cases..."
Turns out that blacks present themselves disproportionately in non violent drug cases.
Joe, the issue is disproportionate punishment and sentencing.
Please try to pay attention.
Ducky: Turns out that I think punishment and sentencing should be metted out according to the crime with NO consideration of religion, race, ethnic origin or sexual preference. Do you agree with that?
Well, maybe I would'nt force a Jewish prisoner to eat pork, but you get my drift.
"Turns out that I think punishment and sentencing should be meted out according to the crime with NO consideration of religion, race, ethnic origin or sexual preference"
Which is the whole goal, isn't it, Joe... it's like people actually think "Stop and Frisk" meant only blacks were stopped and frisked...they really do.
And, of course, if that were the case, who'd approve of it EVER?
amazing...
Since Joe's link doesn't seem to work, here is a working link to the blog post that Joe is quoting from.
http://gollygeeez.blogspot.com/2014/01/racism-mandates.html
You will notice that nowhere in that blog post is there a single link to the alleged Obama Administration policy that they are supposedly quoting from.
In other words, the original post is all politically charged hearsay with nothing to back it up and Joe's post is second hand politically charged hearsay with nothing to back it up.
Z - Do little research before you speak. It will help to make you look less stupid.
http://www.nyclu.org/content/stop-and-frisk-data
Stop-and-Frisk Data
An analysis by the NYCLU revealed that innocent New Yorkers have been subjected to police stops and street interrogations more than 4 million times since 2002, and that black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of these tactics. Nearly nine out of 10 stopped-and-frisked New Yorkers have been completely innocent, according to the NYPD’s own reports:
In 2002, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 97,296 times.
80,176 were totally innocent (82 percent).
In 2003, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 160,851 times.
140,442 were totally innocent (87 percent).
77,704 were black (54 percent).
44,581 were Latino (31 percent).
17,623 were white (12 percent).
83,499 were aged 14-24 (55 percent).
In 2004, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 313,523 times.
278,933 were totally innocent (89 percent).
155,033 were black (55 percent).
89,937 were Latino (32 percent).
28,913 were white (10 percent).
152,196 were aged 14-24 (52 percent).
In 2005, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 398,191 times.
352,348 were totally innocent (89 percent).
196,570 were black (54 percent).
115,088 were Latino (32 percent).
40,713 were white (11 percent).
189,854 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
In 2006, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 506,491 times.
457,163 were totally innocent (90 percent).
267,468 were black (53 percent).
147,862 were Latino (29 percent).
53,500 were white (11 percent).
247,691 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
In 2007, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 472,096 times.
410,936 were totally innocent (87 percent).
243,766 were black (54 percent).
141,868 were Latino (31 percent).
52,887 were white (12 percent).
223,783 were aged 14-24 (48 percent).
In 2008, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 540,302 times.
474,387 were totally innocent (88 percent).
275,588 were black (53 percent).
168,475 were Latino (32 percent).
57,650 were white (11 percent).
263,408 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
In 2009, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 581,168 times.
510,742 were totally innocent (88 percent).
310,611 were black (55 percent).
180,055 were Latino (32 percent).
53,601 were white (10 percent).
289,602 were aged 14-24 (50 percent).
In 2010, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 601,285 times.
518,849 were totally innocent (86 percent).
315,083 were black (54 percent).
189,326 were Latino (33 percent).
54,810 were white (9 percent).
295,902 were aged 14-24 (49 percent).
In 2011, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 685,724 times.
605,328 were totally innocent (88 percent).
350,743 were black (53 percent).
223,740 were Latino (34 percent).
61,805 were white (9 percent).
341,581 were aged 14-24 (51 percent).
In 2012, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 532,911 times
473,644 were totally innocent (89 percent).
284,229 were black (55 percent).
165,140 were Latino (32 percent).
50,366 were white (10 percent).
In the first three quarters of 2013, New Yorkers were stopped by the police 179,063 times.
159,104 were totally innocent (89 percent).
98,051 were black (56 percent).
51,903 were Latino (29 percent).
19,459 were white (11 percent).
So the Obama administration's pursuit of group justice actually leads to injustice to individual students. Whites and Asians will be disciplined more than they merit it by their conduct, and fewer students of all groups will get the kind of classroom atmosphere that is conducive to learning.
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That's the deal, XO. he justice department is proposing that schools up their expulsion rates of white students.
Of course they propose no such thing and that's why a hack like Mona Charen isn't linking to any official statement.
FIXED THE LINK
Z: Thanks for the courage to come by. You pretty much got the only thing these guys know how to dish our. They never majored in civility. They're a bunch of boors who don't know their nostrils from their bohonkuses. They just spit out liberal talking points because that's all they have the guts to do.
XO: "Do little research before you speak. It will help to make you look less stupid."
Do a little reading before you speak. It will help to make you look less stupid.
I said I favor equal treatment. What do you want from me. I can't change New Yorkers. They're a bunch of liberal know-nothings who don't know how to administer justice.
Yeah, Joe, Florida is a haven for minorities, right?
"bohonkuses"???
LOL!
Is this better?
Joe, I'm sure Z is a very nice woman but "courage" isn't the word I'd use to describe leaving an anonymous comment on a blog.
They never majored in civility
Sure, Z's comment section is the model of decorum.
They just spit out liberal talking points because that's all they have the guts to do.
Facts, stats and credible sources are liberal talking points. Guilty as charged. This is what is so fun about you folks. On Fri., Z writes, Dave … opinions are just like anuses—everybody seems to have one.
On Sat., her source for the next Obama outrage is an Opinion Columnist.
Anyway, more stats and facts. Nationally, blacks are 3.5 times more likely to be expelled, suspended or arrested than whites for the same offence. Source
In Ohio, it's 5 times. The school-to-prison pipeline .
Black students are approximately five times more likely to be suspended for the same behavior as white students. Students with disabilities are two to eight times more likely to be suspended, depending on the category of disability, than students without disabilities. Low-income students are about two and a half times more likely to be suspended than students who are not low-income.
Read the whole thing, Joe. There's a lot of good research on why pushing kids (of any race) out of school is a really, really bad idea.
Craig:"...There's a lot of good research on why pushing kids (of any race) out of school is a really, really bad idea."
Something we agree on. But not kids of any behavior. Some behavior has to be mitigated by other means, regardless of the race of the perpetrator.
If more whites than blacks misbehave, then more whites than blacks should receive the just consequences of their behavior.
Again, it seems to be going over your head, Joe.
Expulsion is more common for minority students for the identical offenses.
The justice department wants that resolved and your response is to fall for a fear mongering dog whistle pushed by a hack opinion writer.
Ducky: "Expulsion is more common for minority students for the identical offenses."
OK. Let me see if I can make this clear enough for even YOU to understand: I agree! And I oppose dealing inequitably with minorities.
Then why are you posting Charon's nonsense column which criticizes the justice department for taking a position to correct this issue?
Ducky: Why do you care?
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